THE PROCESS | CHEF CHARLIE MITCHELL

We're always looking for an extraordinary restaurant especially when we're able to combine an amazing menu, with a team, and also an experience, ambiance and a story that makes you want to come back and to continue to support it whether it's in your neighborhood or an area of town that you enjoy visiting!

We caught up with Chef Charlie Mitchell who is the Executive Chef/Partner of Clover Hill in Brooklyn and just won the Michelin 2022 NYC Young Chef Award Winner as well as is a James Beard Finalist 2023! These awards are amazing to be recognized for a life of dedication and focus. We wanted to find out about how he fell in love with food, decided to work in this field, his culinary journey, and how he continues to share his vision through Clover Hill. We also have the opportunity to chat about he approaches his culinary style as we get his chef insights which allows us to think about how the foods that we eat and the intentions behind the menus we enjoy.

ATHLEISURE MAG: When did you fall in love with food?

CHEF CHARLIE MITCHELL: Um, I would say a long time ago when I was a kid to be honest. I tell this story all the time, but I just grew up around food and I grew up with a family that just cooked for any and every reason whether it was good or bad, you know what I mean? It wasn’t hard to fall in love with food when you saw it and were around it so much and to see how important it was to everybody.

AM: What was the moment that you realized that you wanted to work in this industry and to be a chef?

CHEF CM: A chef, I would say somewhere in high school, you know. I just cooked. I think that I wasn’t the most career oriented kid to be honest in high school right? I think that I wasn’t even thinking about it until maybe I got to that Junior year in high school and you’re kind of like, “let me figure out what I want to do.” And I think that because I was getting older at that point – I wouldn’t say that I was cooking anything serious or anything, but I knew that it was something that I loved to do when I was not in class at school. So I thought that I could do this for a living. You know, I was watching a lot of Food Network.

AM: Oh yeah!

CHEF CM: Yeah, Food Network and stuff like that. I mean it sounds corny now but Iron Chef was that one show that I would just say, “wow, this looks like some serious cheffing,” you know what I mean? When I would watch that show, I would say, “yeah, I want to do something like that.” But I had no idea how to be a chef at that time.

AM: What was your culinary journey in kitchens that you trained in on the way to coming to Clover Hill?

CHEF CM: I mean, it wasn’t a very typical journey at times, there were times where it was a little rocky. My first 3 years of cooking, I would say my foundation was in Detroit. My first cheffing at my first restaurant that I worked in I would say is where I got the most training. It was a lot of hours, a lot of cooking, a lot of on the job training, a lot of raw cooking techniques and then I moved to NYC to try to work in more fine dining kitchens in a bigger market and that’s why I came here. And that’s what I got. I was working at places like Betony and Eleven Madison Park and even in DC for places like Bresca and Jônt, those were like the most refined jobs that I had and that kind of shaped the way that I knew how I wanted to go about my approach to food. I mean, it has been about 10 years this year now.

AM: How do you define your style of cooking?

CHEF CM: I’m not really sure, I’m still figuring that out. I always say that I think that it takes chefs 20 years to really define their cooking style for great chefs. I look at myself and I consider me to be halfway. So right now, my focus on my style of cooking is to focus on the ingredients that we are using. Sourcing great products, great ingredients, caring about whether what we’re using is sustainable or not, who is growing our vegetables, and then from there, I like to focus on some techniques that some people may consider to be old school or very raw techniques. I like to make sure that the food feels like you are being cooked for, you know what I’m saying? We still cook our proteins from raw and we make sure that all our sauces are actually, hot, we care about those things like a person would care more for if they were at home, than if they were in a restaurant. If I had to sum it up, I would say that my cooking style is right now, a little raw and there is a lot of intuitive cooking. I cook the way that I want to eat!

AM: Which is a good place to start!

CHEF CM: Yeah, exactly!

AM: Well, you’re the Executive Chef/Partner of Clover Hill in Brooklyn. How did this come about?

CHEF CM: Well actually, so, Clover Hill, I was intro’d to Clover Hill when they first opened in 2019 because the original chef was a friend of mine. So I was actually introduced to the restaurant because I was in a transition and he was opening his restaurant and they needed some hands, some kitchen help. So I was around part-time/full-time working there 4 days a week for him and the COVID happened. So that was my introduction to Clover Hill and then time goes by and when the ownership was looking to reopen it, ironically, I had just moved back to NYC and they - Clay Castillo just randomly texted me and asked me what I was up to. I was standing there with my now fiancé and I was like, “yo, the owners of Clover Hill just texted me out of nowhere.” She was like, “okay, see what’s up.” So, maybe it was a day later or a week later, but we had coffee and we saw that our visions just aligned. With me being somebody that was in transition and him obviously going through it with having to close his restaurant due to COVID, he was very inspired to not give up. That was his message and I was in the same place and kind of young and kind of hungry and we just decided that we would go for it. Honestly, it was a very organic situation where he was in this position, I was in this position, and we had to figure it out together and that’s what we decided to do.

AM: Tell us about Clover Hill, what can people expect in terms of the ambiance of the restaurant as well as the menu itself?

CHEF CM: I think that the goal of the ambiance is that Clay will say this, to feel like home. It's a very homey approach which I know that that sounds cliché sometimes, but we look at it that way from the environment to the hospitality. It’s not just the décor, it’s about how you’re treated when you’re there as well. It’s to try to strip away some of the pretentious stereotypes of fine dining. We want people to feel comfortable which is what we mean by that, to feel accepted, and to be at a place where you can vibe, you can laugh, you can talk as opposed to some fine dining restaurants where you’re so intimidated that when you walk in, you see that it’s so bright and the tablecloths are everywhere -

AM: Which fork am I using first?

CHEF CM: Right! And you’re worried about your outfit and stuff like that. So we want to strip all of that away and make it about the food, the wine, and the service. The food has evolved as our price point has evolved. But it has always been very seafood focused as well as vegetables – so seafood first, vegetables second. You’ll see a little bit of meat here and there, so that is the primary focus of the cuisine. As far as what it always is, we change the menu 4 times a year. We do complete menu overhauls, but I use the food as well as Clover Hill as a means to further my growth, the restaurants growth and the other cooks as well. The food changes menu to menu, but it’s always very rooted in seafood, vegetables, and flavors that you know people either love or hate – it’s very seasoned food. The idea of it also being at home too is that, this is something that we pride ourselves on. Food is something that makes you feel like someone cooked it for you. It needs to have a sense of nostalgia to it, and it needs to have a sense of warmth to the food in every dish. So if it’s not delicious and it doesn’t remind you of something, if it doesn’t kind of bring you back to a place – then it kind of doesn’t work. So that’s in the DNA of the food.

AM: Congratulations on being the 2022 Michelin Guide Young Chef Award Winner and the first Black Michelin chef in NY which blows our minds even moreso that you are only the second Black chef in the US to do this! Honestly, we kept double checking ourselves in prep for this interview with you because we were shocked that it has been so few, but there we are! What does it feel like to win this award and in terms of representation, being able to have this distinction for yourself as well as for the restaurant that you are at?

CHEF CM: Well winning the award, to be honest, the Young Chef Award I had only heard about a day or 2 before the awards. I had never heard about it before. And then when I won, it was a complete surprise! I was just humbled and honored, mainly because so many of my peers and chefs that I look up to were also standing in this room and seeing me at that moment, so I just felt like that was just fucking cool to be honest! I mean to have all of those chefs looking at me when I was on that stage, that was just cool! For the Michelin Star too, me and Clay, I mean the whole team, but for us and the ownership, it was just like, what they went through with COVID and then closing down and then where I was at at that time and then kind of being in a position where I wasn’t sure what my next move was going to be. Just to see us put the work in for that year and a half, that validation and that visibility pushes everything. It means that what we’re doing is working and that the right people were seeing us, so that was awesome!

For me as a Black chef, that was also like a cherry on top, you know what I mean? It’s not like you’re looking to be the first or second of anything, it just kind of happens. But for me, it was kind of learning how to embrace it. Chefs and Black chefs that are older than me are looking at me like, “man, we did it!” Chefs that are younger than me are like, “how can I do it?” I’m just trying to learn how to embrace it and to be a resource which I think is the most important. Maybe it’s not full blown conversations or full blown FaceTime sessions with chefs, but it’s just about being available and a resource for questions or encouragement or just being somebody that they can see doing it so that they can do it! I mean winning it is great, the representation is great, and I’m honored to be someone to represent us in any kind of capacity that is in a positive way!

AM: Exactly!

To follow that up, to be a James Beard Finalist, that’s another one of those things that is so much of an honor. What does it mean to you to have this distinction also in terms of the recognition?

CHEF CM: I mean, it was great! I think that any chef that takes themselves seriously on any level whether it’s casual, fine dining, food trucks, or whatever – you take it serious. You put in a lot of work that goes into it, a lot of hours goes into it, and I think that some people may look at the last year and a half/two years of my journey and say, “ oh, it’s been so great – how does it feel?” For me, it felt like, finally! I’ve been doing this for all this time –

AM: So long!

CHEF CM: Yeah and it’s just the beginning. Some people don’t realize how many hours and how much time you put into something. So it’s just nice to be validated in any capacity – here’s this kid that’s at this restaurant that’s doing something that’s cool and good, had a good product, and they’re happy that I’m doing it. It’s encouraging – it encourages me to keep going. It encourages me to keep working as hard as we do. So that’s what it means the most to me.

AM: What I really love on your Instagram is that you talk about a lot of things. You talk about menu development and a number of nuts and bolts topics in the kitchen. For our readers that don’t know, what is menu development, what does it involve, and why is it so important?

CHEF CM: Well it’s hard! The reason why I share it is because – it’s been a new thing that I have been wanting to share because I think that some people have a misconception about how easy it is. I think that for me and having a small team, it’s just me. So it’s not like, oh does this taste good? It’s like, is it part of the vision, is it a part of who we are, is it on brand, and does it fit within our ethos? If we go here, where do we go from here? To constantly challenge yourself and your own ideas, it’s hard, you know what I mean?

AM: We love that you share it though, because, when people are thinking of a chef, they think of the restaurant and that there are partners and staff, but they don’t think about the hours, 14 hour days and these little things that you’re putting together to make a full picture. I think it’s awesome that you show it!

CHEF CM: Yeah!

I think that menu development is even something that I am just learning. I look at chefs that have been doing this for years! I reach out to them for advice and to see how they go about it. I think that the most important part about it is to just be curious about what you do, to be curious about food, and to continue to learn about food. I think that the hardest part of it is to continue to challenge yourself. Whether it’s your own ideas or old techniques that you have done before, and to not be too attached to a notion like, “we’re going to always cook the fish this way.” There may be a better way and you’re just going to need to be open minded to the journey of exploring, you know?

AM: Well, it’s interesting that you had a post recently that it is important to you that all of your dishes fall into your core values of good eats. What do you mean by that and what are those core values?

CHEF CM: When I worked at Eleven Madison Park, like Daniel Humm was kind of known for having 4 or 5 things that a dish had to have to fit in these boxes, which they don’t have to have – but that’s what he liked to say. For me, I am developing my own things for myself. So what I mean by that is – is it possible for a dish to go out as intended which is important. Is it meant to be cold – can it go out cold, is it meant to always go out hot? Some dishes, which sounds simple, but there are other factors with those dishes that we have to figure out in fine dining where you would know that it is not executable at this level. So being intentional is very important. Obviously, being very delicious is the most important. Is it visually appealing, but not to sacrifice if it is delicious or intentional, right? From there it’s, how does it make somebody feel inside when they eat it? Is it too spicy or spicy enough? Is it warm? Is it nostalgia? Is it a little thought provoking? Does it draw their memory? Those are the kinds of things that I focus on the most right now.

AM: What is an average day like for you at Clover Hill?

CHEF CM: Well it has changed so much now, I think that life now versus the first 8 months are so different that I feel like I should tell the story of how it was in the beginning beginning! But right now, it’s different. The learning curve right now is for me to learn to be an Executive Chef. That’s also what I want people to realize is that I teach my cooks that each level is a different learning curve. You’re a line cook, you’re a CDP, you’re a sous chef, you’re an Executive Sous Chef, you’re a CDC Executive Chef right, so now I’m like learning how to fall back a little bit and care about other things that I don’t know about. So right now, my day to day is still 12-14 hours but less cooking, more guiding, more teaching, more meetings with the managers and the ownership. We’re looking at how are we pushing this restaurant forward as far as cleanliness, design, organization, new plateware, new development, menu costing – for lack of a better word – visionary things.

AM: Yeah dealing with nuts and bolts of the business.

CHEF CM: As opposed to last year, I had less staff, I didn’t have a sous chef at the time. I was just cooking and keeping my head down and now I’m in the mode of focusing and actually running this restaurant as opposed to just working in the restaurant. Usually, the cooks' days start around 10 or 11am and they work until around midnight. My day starts around the same time and I work until around midnight/1am and then I do it all over again. The cooks right now, everyone on the staff, they work 4 days a week. I work a 5 day shift, they work a 4 day shift. I think that that’s a way that we try to give them a better live/work balance. Like you may work 4 long days, but you have 3 days off.

AM: Which is nice.

CHEF CM: Yeah it’s nice because it keeps you in that 40-50/hour range instead of that 60-70 hour range. So that’s what we’re trying to do right now. I know how mentally taxing that this job can be and I just want them to be able to be there when they are at work and to do the things that I need them to do. Then, they have enough time that they will be able to do what they need to do when they’re not here.

AM: After a night at work, what’s a meal that you like to cook for yourself when you’re at home?

CHEF CM: Nothing haha, I order takeout. To be honest, I’m a better eater at home now because I have Michelle to help me out without. I’m very simple. I like to eat very light at the end of the night for the most part. Just because, you’re about to go to sleep. So something like a protein, rice, and vegetables are my favorite things to eat.

AM: What are your go-to ingredients or spices that you always have in your pantry at home that are so versatile for you to make a number of dishes when you do decide to cook at home.

CHEF CM: Butter, garlic, and lemon. That can make anything taste good and then a cabinet full of spices. Anything from salt and pepper to curry spices, paprika, cayenne pepper, and all of that kind of stuff. But if you have butter, garlic, and lemon you can make anything taste good.

AM: When you’re not in the kitchen and you have time off, how do you take time for yourself in terms of self-care?

CHEF CM: Traditionally, I try to be as active as I can. I try to run, I try to workout. It also depends because sometimes the work week can get crazy and then I try to relax, spend time with mainly just me and Michelle hanging out all of the time to be honest. We just have to figure out days where we can sit on the couch for 8 hours. But in a perfect world, if I can just work out, recharge and watch some TV or something that’s great. As opposed to before where it was all about food 24/7. On the weekends, it was all about cookbooks and then I would go back to work. But now, I try to pull back from it all sometimes to just relax.

AM: That shows maturity where you give that balance to yourself just like you do to your chefs that you give 3 days off!

Do you have any upcoming projects that we should keep an eye out for. I know that last year, you were part of Chef Kwame Onwuachi’s Family Reunion which must have been an amazing time. Will you be doing any other events like that this year?

CHEF CM: Um, I don’t know. Hopefully. I think that the Family Reunion one we missed out on this year because we just didn't have time for it on the schedule this year. I know that we’re doing some charity events in October, we’re doing this Michelin event in Sept called Euphoria which will be pretty cool. Besides that we’re keeping it pretty low key. We’re just trying to figure it out and summer gets pretty light in the city and especially in our area of Brooklyn. So we try to figure out ways to stay busy and to put some things together.

AM: What do you want your legacy to be? You have done so many different things, you have gotten so many different accolades, and yet you have such a bigger road of the things that you can achieve. What do you want that to be seen as?

CHEF CM: I think that cooking is one of those things that is a passion driven career. We get into this because we love cooking and we have a passion about it. I love it and unfortunately, I love restaurants. That’s what I chose, I didn’t go out for private, catering, or anything like that. So for me, it’s about that I want to be known as the best chef foodwise and one of the best chefs to work for and/or with. I want to make sure that I’m a good leader and a good boss and a good employer for my people. Hopefully I’m one of those well known serious chefs that is one of the best known chefs in NYC and one of the best known chefs in the country!

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ATHLEISURE LIST | RESTAURANT YUU

Restaurant Yuu is located between Williamsburg and Greenpoint in Brooklyn with a classic dining style at a beautiful black stone chef's tasting counter.

Chef/Owner Yuu Shimano trained at Tsuji Culinary Institute in both Osaka, Japan and Lyon France. He graduated in 2002. His first 12 years of his career was in France where he began at two-Michelin-starred La Villa des Lys at the Hotel Majestic in Cannes before becoming the Chef de Partie of Meats and Sauces at three-Michelin-starred Restaurant Guy Savoy in Paris. In 2017 he was tapped by Tokyo Restaurant Factory to open MIFUNE New York where he served as Executive Chef for 5 years and garnered a Michelin plate.

Their Pastry Chef Masaki Takahashi previously worked at two-Michelin-starred Narisawa in Tokyo. Chef de Cuisine Shuji Furukawa previously worked as Executive Chef at The Gallery by Odo. Sommelier Akio Matsumoto worked at the three-Michelin-starred L'Effervescence in Tokyo.

Their French 18 Course Omakase Menu focuses on traditional and classical French cuisine that they modernized creating new flavor profiles to impress guests. The 18 courses are served through 22 different dishes, as some of them like Trout (a smoked trout tartlet with fennel cream, finished with smoked trout roe) and Octopus (a bite-sized octopus fritter made from simmered octopus and shrimp croute and served with red) is the first course.

Three dishes that are the chef/owner's favorite is his signature Duck and Foie Gras Pie, a house made pie filled with duck breast and duck thigh, spinach, and foie gras, served with a black pepper cognac and duck jus sauce; Ayu, a young Japanese ayu fish wrapped in a shiso leaf then fried, served with shutou sauce made of fermented bonito cooked in soy sauce, and egg yolk; as well as the main dessert Plum, a miniature soufflé served in plumb compote with almond ice cream.

Their tasting menu is seasonal and will change every 3 months with the next menu launching at the end of July. The Duck and Foie Gras Pie is their signature dish so it will remain on the menu.

Their digestif offerings after the meal is a coffee and tea service paired with four mignardise: Pistachio Macaron, Chocolate Grand Marnier Muscadine, Kiwi and Tarragon Pate de Fruite, and Lemon Cream Tart. Their sommelier Akio Matsumoto can recommend a bespoke digestif of sake or fortified wine based on their preference of a dry or sweet after dinner drink.

RESTAURANT YUU

55 Nassau Ave

Brooklyn, NY 11222

yuunewyork.com

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ATHLEISURE LIST | HAKKASAN LAS VEGAS

When we're out in Las Vegas, we know that when it comes to have an epic, over the top night out, you have to head over to the MGM Grand Hotel & Casino in Las Vegas and do it up at Tao Group Hospitality's Hakkasan Nightclub! This premier venue is a world-class destination for top DJs and artists for an experience that you won't want to miss!

When the Denver Nuggets won their hard fought NBA Championship, we found them here for their victory celebration! NBA Finals MVP Nikola Jokic, Jamal Murray, Michael Porter, Bruce Brown, Aaron Gordon, DeAndre Jordan, Kentavious Caldwell-Pope and the rest of the team started their night with dinner at Hakkasan enjoying signature dishes before they continued their night at the nightclub which was packed with a massive crowd who also joined in on the celebration!

The team kept the party going by sitting at their VIP tables that was on the stage. DJ Pauly D and Justin Credible were in the booth and their win was toasted with a 3-liter bottle of Perrier Jouet Brut Champagne.

Obviously, this was a great place to enjoy their massive win, but even when you're not rubbing elbows with your favorite athletes who are world champions, you can enjoy the nights that Hakkasan has to offer by organizing your night with dinner at their restaurant and then coming in to enjoy your favorite DJ who happens to be there for their set from a number of genres that you have on your playlist.

For those navigating how to get to the nightclub you walk from the front of the hotel through the casino and take a left toward Whiskey Down. Walk past it, The David Copperfield Theatre and TAP and Hakkasan will be on your left.

If you're on The Strip, Hakkasan is located near the entrance of the Las Vegas Strip. Once you walk into MGM Grand, take a right and you'll be at Hakkasan for an epic night ahead!

HAKKASAN LAS VEGAS

NIGHTCLUB

3799 S Las Vegas Blvd

Las Vegas, NV 89109

taogroup.com

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THE ART OF THE SNACK | GOA NEW YORK

This month's The Art of the Snack takes us to Goa New York, an Indian restauran that takes our taste buds to another level with their savory dishes! We had the chance to catch up with Chef/Owner and Restaurateur Hemant Bhagwani who has opened a number of restaurants in Canada! With Goa New York, he brings his vision of Indian food here in NY for us to enjoy. We wanted to find out more about his culinary background, how he got into the industry, opening Goa, and what we can expect when we come in with our friends and family for an amazing meal!

ATHLEISURE MAG: Can you tell us about your background and culinary journey?

CHEF HEMANT BHAGWANI: I was born in India and got my hotel and culinary management degree in Switzerland. I then put my learning to use in Sydney and Dubai, getting involved in every stage of a restaurant from start-up operations to turning around struggling ones to taking successful ones to new heights. I landed in Toronto in 2000 and launched my Canadian career. After adding a professional sommelier certification to my qualifications, I decided to set out on my own in an effort to get Indian cuisine the recognition and respect it rightfully deserves. Since 2002, I have opened 57 restaurants.

AM: You are a celebrated Indian chef/chef restaurateur in Toronto and have opened a number of restaurants in Canada. Why did you want to open your first U.S. project?

CHEF HB: I have long wanted to bring my style of Indian food to the U.S., and I am very excited to start with New York City. This is truly where it's at! Getting Indian food recognized for its range, flavors, variety, and array of ingredients is what I have always strived towards. The logical next step for me after Canada was the U.S.

ATHLEISURE MAG: You're known for channeling the vibe of Goa. Can you tell us about this and what that means?

CHEF HB: In 2017, feeling burned out from many years in the restaurant industry, I sold my company and took a six-month sabbatical. I spent those six months in Goa, where I fell in love with the place, the culture, and most importantly the cuisine. Goa is not just a place. It's a vibe. It's colorful, vibrant, and pulsating with energy. It's unlike anything and any place else! Goa is India's happy place or as I call it the 'Miami' of India.

AM: You launched Goa New York in Tribeca in Feb, from an ambiance standpoint, what can diners expect when they are coming for their next great meal?

CHEF HB: Goa New York is a luxurious space that draws its inspiration from nature as its palette. When you step through the doors, you are greeted by the sight of two peacocks that were custom designed for the space. Whimsically, we call them Melody and Mayura (peacock in Hindi). As you continue further inside, you will see our interpretation of the Tree of Life, inspired by the century-old banyan tree in Arambol, Goa. The wallpaper is also evocative of nature scenes with flora and fauna. We aim to combine the ambiance with exquisite food and drink offerings, and music, to bring a sublime experience every time.

AM: What ingredients and spices are associated with Indian cuisine?

CHEF HB: Indian cuisine is actually many, many different regional cuisines. But religion also plays a role in how the same dish might be prepared. Broadly speaking, and just to name a few spices, Indian cuisine uses turmeric (also recognized worldwide now for its health benefits), cumin, coriander, garam masala, fenugreek, asafetida, and Indian red chili powder (which is brighter and hotter than paprika), as well as ingredients such as cinnamon, bay leaf, mace, nutmeg, fennel seeds, carom, cloves, mustard seeds, curry leaves. What my restaurants specialize in is using locally available high-quality ingredients and giving them the traditional Indian treatment. The result is what you will experience when you visit Goa New York.

AM: Your menu reflects your culinary journey across the world. Why was it important to bring this modern, playful, and interactive take to the food that is offered here?

CHEF HB: One learns from one's travels! I have been traveling, learning, and evolving since I left India right after high school. Along the journey, my skills have been honed, my repertoire has expanded, and the learning continues, of course. This is the very reason I am here, to bring MY take. That includes the modern aspect, and the playful and interactive take. I believe that when you come to my restaurant, you are my guest as much as you would be at my home so you get to have the full benefit of my experiences around the world.

AM: What are 3 appetizers that you suggest that we should have when we come in?

CHEF HB: I recommend the Shrimp Balchao Toast Tiger Shrimp in a spicy tangy spicy sauce, red radish, prawn chili oil, on Japanese milk bread toast; Goan Style Slaw Goan Salad with 16 ingredients, green chili, salted star fruit, and plum dressing; and Hamachi Ceviche Coconut Broth, kokum dressing, crispy puffed rice, and chili salsa.

AM: What are 3 entrees that we should have with friends and family?

CHEF HB: Great for friends and family are the Goan Prawn Curry with okra, drumsticks, coconut, kokum, dried mango, Portuguese chili-garlic oil; Pork Tenderloin Sorpotal an essential pork curry from Goa, slow cooked, with caramelized onions, roasted kohlrabi curry; and Laal Maas 8-hour slow-cooked, bone-in goat leg in Rajasthani red chilies. I also recommend the Butter Chicken because I do think we make the best butter chicken in NYC - it's charcoal smoked.

AM: What are 3 sides that we must have?

CHEF HB: Some of our great sides include the House Baked Sourdough Poi Bread which we serve with a choice of chorizo butter or balchao butter; Shakuti Chicken Pao white chicken massaged with coconut and then cooked in a spicy tamarind curry, served with pao bread; and the Rawa Fish Fry with granulated wheat chili crisp, pickled red cabbage, green chili chutney. The chicken and fish are listed as appetizers, but I love to have them as sides! The portion size is perfect to add as a side to any dish.

AM: In terms of cocktails, what are 3 that we should have?

CHEF HB: The Goan Paradise a classic Goan-Portuguese cocktail from the 1920s with coconut feni (Goan spirit), fresh lime juice, spicy syrup smoked on the table; Kokum Margarita with Ginjo-shu tequila curry leaf, lime juice, kokum salt, agave nectar; and the Goan Shandy with ginger wine, ginger cordial, lemon juice, wheat beer, ginger matchsticks - are all great options!

AM: Dessert is a great way to end a meal, what are 3 that we should share with friends and family?

CHEF HB: I recommend the crispy Jalebi Rabdi, which we serve with Moscato; Bebinca Goan layered coconut cake paired with sherry; and the Cumin-chocolate Fondant with tawny port.

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FOOD FOUND HER | CHEF KARDEA BROWN

Food storytelling has been something that we have talked about multiple times. In enjoying those bites, you’re able to get the intention that the chef has whether it’s their style of food, infusing a culture that they represent or are passionate about as well as how they want you to feel! Once you consume it, you have memories that are set that you will come back to again and again!

Chef Kardea Brown is the host of Delicious Miss Brown which gives us recipes and stories about Southern cuisine from the low country that highlight Gullah culture on Food Network! She is also a judge on the same network for Spring Baking Championship alongside Nancy Fuller and Duff Goldman! We wanted to know more about how she got into the culinary industry, her passion for food, having her show, her partnership at PEPCID, and upcoming projects that we should keep an eye out for! We talk about how food found her, coming to TV, being nominated for a Daytime Emmy Award and being a New York Times Bestselling Author.

We also delve into the issues surrounding food insecurity and her attendance on June 12th for Chef’s Tribute to Citymeals on Wheels fundraiser in New York, an annual tasting event, where PEPCID is the exclusive heartburn brand sponsor and 100% of public proceeds help Citymeals prepare and deliver nourishing meals to older New Yorkers in need. She teamed up with PEPCID, the #1 doctor recommended over the counter acid reducer brand, and is proud to support their efforts in the fight against food insecurity with Meals on Wheels America through their $50,000 sponsorship.

ATHLEISURE MAG: It’s such a pleasure to speak with you as we have been such fans of your show! Where does your love of food come from?

CHEF KARDEA BROWN: It would have to be not only the city that I come from, but my grandmother and my mother! They are some cooking women. They absolutely love cooking and I believe that it is one of our first loves. We have always found ways to spend time in the kitchen. I grew up around women that really loved being in the kitchen and I love food you know! Good food is always good for the heart and the soul!

AM: When did you realize that you wanted to be a chef?

CHEF KB:  You know, I believe that it chose me. My first initial thought was that I was going to become a social worker and that I was going to work in the not-for-profit sector, in my life. The universe would say that it was a bit of a course redirection like, “this is great, you’re doing great there, but I think that I have something bigger and better for you there that’s going to involve food.” That’s how it kinda chose me and I’ve always loved cooking, but I never thought that I was going to do it for a living! It was kind of like, this is your purpose and this is your mission. Here it is!  

AM: It’s so great to hear that! How did you get your own show, Delicious, Miss Brown which we love and we also love that you talk about your background coming from Gullah influences and things like that. How did that all come together?

CHEF KB: So, I was dating a guy at the time. We are no longer together, but we’re still great friends! I’m pretty sure that I owe my career to him! He signed me up to be on a show for the Cooking Channel and out of thousands of submissions, they chose me to do the show with Bobby Dean and it was all about taking that Southern food and making it light and fresh. He wanted to go to a house of someone who cooked heavy Southern meals and kind of flip that and make it into a lighter meal. So, I did that show and it didn’t get picked up by the network, but the network’s executives saw the show and said, “man, she’s really great! Has she thought about doing food television?” At the time, I was working at Big Brothers, Big Sisters and I wasn’t thinking about doing food or cooking on TV! Somehow, I ended up being on several shows after that and eventually, they pitched me to the network to have my own in the kitchen show and I would say about 5 years later, I got my opportunity to host my own show and now I’m in my 8th season!  

AM: That is incredible and congratulations on your recent nomination for your Daytime Emmy Award as a Culinary Host and in your category is Guy Fieri, Emeril Lagasse, Justin Sutherland, Andrew Zimmern, and Ina Garten! That is amazing!

CHEF KB: Blew my mind! To be mentioned in the same room and category with these greats, with these people that I grew up watching is insane and so it’s a great filling!

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AM: You’re going to be part of the 36th Annual Chef’s Tribute to Citymeals on Wheels, tell me about this and why you’re excited to be part of it?  

CHEF KB: Oh my gosh! I personally use PEPCID in my life! If you have ever seen any of my shows, I cook – you know I like to fry things, I like my spicy foods and all of the things that give you heartburn and so when the opportunity was presented, I thought it was a no-brainer.

The Chefs Tribute that is going on Jun 12th – I am really excited to be there! It’s for a great cause with Citymeals. They’re combatting food insecurity and that’s something that is very important to me because what I do for a living is to teach people how to cook. I can’t do that for people, especially when the demographic that watches Delicious Miss Brown, it’s usually between the ages of 25 – 56 and even older! So a lot of these people watch the show and I want them to be able to have the opportunity to be able to go to their local supermarket or have food delivered that makes my job easier! I want to be able to show you how to cook it and I need you to be able to have the food in order to be able to do that! So Citymeals is doing a really great job of that and combating food insecurity especially here in NY.

For this event taking place, PEPCID is the only heartburn brand that will be there and they have personally sponsored Meals on Wheels America with $50,000. So as soon as I heard of the initiative and PEPCID’s involvement, I said, sign me up!  

AM: That’s definitely exciting.

What is it that you enjoy about taking PEPCID? Do you take it before you eat something or is it after for those that have yet to use this?

CHEF KB: So, you don’t have to take it before. I usually take it after especially when I kind of feel the heartburn kind of starting. I know immediately that when I eat something, especially at night, I might eat something spicy or tomato-based which we do a lot in the Gullah culture. When I eat my red rice, I know that I will have to take some PEPCID immediately after to have a good night’s rest! Even when I film my show, I’m tasting, I’m eating constantly. I can’t do that if I’m suffering from heartburn. If you have ever suffered from heartburn, you know that it’s not pleasant. I take PEPCID immediately, it works just like that and it makes my job that much easier!  

AM: In addition to you hosting Delicious Miss Brown, you’re also judging Spring Baking Championship on the same network! We’re also huge fans of this show! What are you looking forward to with this show?

CHEF KB: Oh my gosh, Spring Baking Championship is one of those shows that I really stumbled in and it’s an amazing show! I have learned so much. It took me awhile to get into baking. I have always been a savory person, but now I do both! But now that I feel that being part of this show has taught me so much and being on the judging panel with Nancy Fuller everyone’s grandma and then Duff Goldman who is a pastry and cake genius! I’ve learned so much and I’m just really excited about what’s to come with the show and many more seasons! The show did really well last season so I’m really excited about more season with Spring Baking!

AM: It’s such a fun show and everyone is so creative! We couldn’t do any of those things, but we always love hearing Duff talk and how excited he is when he’s eating things!

CHEF KB: Yes! He really does get into it and he’s like the cake genius! He is the mechanics of the show and I feel like I bring in the heart where I’m like, “oh this is good, girl!” You know, that type of thing.

AM: You need both!

CHEF KB: Yes, you do! It’s a good balance!

AM: Last year, you dropped your cookbook, The Way Home: A Celebration of Sea Islands Food and Family with Over 100 Recipes, what was it like working on this project and you’re also a New York Times Best Selling Author!

CHEF KB: Yes, it was really fun! It was my first cookbook so I didn’t really know what I was getting myself into, but it was a learning lesson and it was an experience. I’m really happy about it because for so many years and actually decades, my family had these recipes within my family, but we never had a way to keep those recipes beyond word of mouth. So now, there’s a place where recipes can live and I really feel like I’m making my great-grandmother, grandmother, and mother proud by creating history within our families! Being that it is right out of the gate and it made it to the NYT Bestsellers was just mind-blowing to me. A little girl from Charleston, South Carolina had big dreams and I never dreamt that it would be this.

AM: Your journey has been amazing and we’d love to know more about your frozen food line! What’s it going to be and what can we expect from it?

CHEF KB: Oh my gosh! I can’t give all the details yet, but it’s going to be with a major distributor/retailer, and it’s going to be all the things that everyone loves about the South and the low country as many of the foods that you have probably seen on my show or people who have watched it who say, “man, I wish I could taste that!” You will be able to soon!

AM: We can’t wait to see it! Just looking at all of the things that you have done in your career, these are really big moment! Food is such a big vertical at Athleisure Mag, what do you want your legacy to be whether it’s on the culinary side or being an overall entrepreneur?

CHEF KB: You know, I want my legacy to be that I wasn’t afraid to take that leap of faith and that I somehow landed on my feet. If anyone ever has a dream, a hope, or something to aspire to – just do it! I literally did it and I had no clue what to do and somehow I ended up in a very great place! I want my legacy to be that I jumped, I landed, and it did well! If I can do it, anyone else can!

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LIFTING EACH OTHER UP

We’ve seen Monica Ahanonu’s work with a number of brands so when we had a chance to talk about her latest work and partnership with Johnnie Walker, we wanted to find out more about this leading artist in the digital space. Ahead of the highly anticipated Women’s World Cup, Johnnie Walker is fueling the fandom and increasing visibility for women’s sports alongside powerhouse NWSL teams and partners Angel City FC and NJ/NY Gotham FC this summer. She created a design that will be worn by both teams to strive for gender equality at their upcoming match on July 2nd at Red Bull Arena. This partnership represents a one-team approach towards achieving gender equality, her illustration depicts how “we lift each other up as we rise and break through barriers.” In creating this merch line that will be available for Angel City FC (their crewneck) as well as Gotham FC (tops) will be available as long as supplies last. A donation from the team’s merch proceeds will be going towards the Women's Sports Foundation. We wanted to find out more about this partnership as well as what she has going on.  

ATHLEISURE MAG: For our readers who may not know about you, please tell us a bit about your background and what you do?

MONICA AHANONU: I’m an illustrator, creator and model based in Los Angeles. I’m obsessed with playing with color in any form. I started my career at DreamWorks Animation working on some of their feature films and am currently IMG Models’ first signed illustrator. My client roster spans brands in media & entertainment, fashion, beauty, consumer products, and publishing. Some recent clients include Vanity Fair, PepsiCo, Apple, Google, Facebook, Netflix, NASA, Adobe, Sephora, Simon & Schuster, and Ruggable.

AM: What is it about being an illustrator and a creator that you enjoy?

MA: For my digital art, I love playing with color and being able to quickly change the colors of a piece to mix and match patterns or try and make two colors match that wouldn't normally go together. As a creator it’s great that every day of my week is typically different. I don’t do well with monotony so having a wide range of assignments and projects to work on allows a lot of variety in my days.

AM: You're known for spotlighting diverse cultures and including themes of inclusivity and equality in your artwork. Why is this important to you?

MA: It’s important to me that younger generations and people in general who may not feel confident in themselves realize that just because you don’t look like those around you doesn’t mean you aren't beautiful. I find that the world is more exciting when people are being authentically themselves and expressing their individuality as they go about their day however that may be.

AM: Where do you go for inspiration when you're creating your next piece?

MA: Most often I’ll look at fashion to get inspiration. I’ll sit outside and people watch,  go to a vintage store, and look through clothes or I’ll look through recent collections online. I love seeing the silhouettes and unique fabrics that are being used to create the newest handbags or pairs of shoes - things that you wouldn’t normally see utilized and then analyzing how it lays on the body and moves as someone walks.

If not fashion, I will often watch old cartoons or take a nap because I have really vivid dreams. I can typically tell myself that there’s something I want to have a dream about and then I can lay down that topic or object will naturally get incorporated into an odd dream that gives me some type of inspiration or direction - mainly if I’m stuck on something or haven't been able to find inspiration by sifting through the internet.

AM: You have collaborated with Johnnie Walker in the past. What is it about this brand that you enjoy working with and what was it like to partner with them on this project specifically?

MA: I first partnered with Johnnie Walker to design signs of empowerment and progress for participants during the 2019 Women’s March in Washington, D.C. These along with other signs carried during the march were then featured in an exhibit curated in partnership with the New York Historical Society – Center for Women's History to commemorate the messages of optimism and unity represented through march signage as well as the spirit of collective progress moving our country forward.

When the Johnnie Walker team reached out to collaborate on this initiative in celebration of their partnerships with Gotham FC and Angel City FC, two powerhouse women's soccer teams, and all women in sports who are breaking barriers on and off the field, I was eager to come on board. It’s amazing to work with brands like Johnnie Walker which have steadfast commitments to gender equality and actively work to uplift underrepresented communities.

AM: This project is interesting as it's focused on increasing the fandom for women's soccer. How is the brand doing this with NWSL teams and their partners Angel City FC and NY/NY Gotham FC this summer?

MA: As women’s soccer takes the ultimate stage this summer, it’s prime time to highlight the significant gender gaps in sports and provoke equal visibility for women athletes, teams and leagues all year long. In collaboration with Johnnie Walker, Gotham FC and Angel City FC, we created a unified design which the players from both teams will wear during warm-ups on the July 2 match at the Red Bull Arena to underscore the one team approach to achieving equality.

The designs are available as limited-edition tops for fans to purchase in the teams’ respective colorways by visiting the Angel City FC and Gotham FC online shops. Not only is this a way for the fans to sport their support and join our mission, but a portion of the proceeds will also be donated to the Women's Sports Foundation to support their ongoing research to help inform the change in culture needed for equality and their mission to enable women to reach their potential in sports.

AM: How did you go about designing the merch for ACFC and Gotham FC for this game that will take place on July 2nd at Red Bull Arena?

MA: In this design, I chose to focus specifically on the hands of the players we are representing. Hands can convey a wide range of emotions, and I wanted to capture the feelings of celebration, camaraderie, teamwork, strength, and unity in a single glance. The lines surrounding the hands represent the dynamic exchange of emotions and energy between a crowd of people experiencing the same event. By depicting hands grasping one another, I sought to illustrate how we lift each other up as we rise and break through barriers. As a team, we often celebrate not only our personal victories but also the triumphs of our teammates and the collective success of our group.

AM: This collaboration is part of First Strides which is a larger initiative. Can you tell us about this and what we can expect for this?

MA: I’ve always admired Johnnie Walker for being a brand that stands for collective progress and its First Strides initiative turns this commitment into action by supporting the people and organizations who are doing the work to push culture forward for underrepresented communities. By celebrating, inspiring and enabling bold strides taken for progress, Johnnie Walker seeks to create more boundary breaking, first time achievement through grants, visibility, mentorship and empowerment.

Our partnership is just the beginning of a summer-long initiative to increase visibility for women’s sport, so stay tuned for more from Johnnie Walker to be part of a community that values and uplifts women athletes.

AM: You're always working on a number of projects. In addition to being the Co-Founder/Creative + Style Dir of Athleisure Mag, I am also a stylist and I loved your Lagos partnership which had stunning imagery and I believe you were at an event with them that I was also at as the team was talking about you while I was there. What are you working on now and what projects do you have coming up that we should keep an eye out for?

MA: Currently, I’m working on some exciting Web3 projects, a fashion campaign that comes out in the fall, as well as a broadcast commercial that will run during later this summer!

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AT THE CENTER OF THE PLATE | CHEF MATTHEW KENNEY

We are always up for a very flavorful plant-based meal and we're truly excited about this interview from a superstar chef that is known for elevating the vegan, raw vegan and plant-based space, Chef Matthew Kenney! We had the pleasure of being introduced to raw vegan at his restaurant Pure Food and Wine here in NYC which was a culinary experience. We also attended an editor event where he was in attendance at Ladurée Soho to launch the inclusion of their vegan menu back in 2019. It was a pleasure to hear him share his partnership with them and unveiling his vegan menu!

As someone who has used his fine dining, classical French training to elevate this cuisine, we couldn't wait to talk about how he got into culinary, his background, how he entered the plant-based space, his journey to creating restaurants that are all over the world and how Matthew Kenney Cuisine as a business model allows him to focus on his passion for staying engaged and creative! We also talk about one of his newest ventures, Ntidote and well as upcoming projects.

ATHLEISURE MAG: When did you first fall in love with food?

CHEF MATTHEW KENNEY: Well, my entire life, I’ve loved food. I grew up in Maine and it was all about seasonality and the ingredients. It was all about wild blueberries in the summer and wild strawberries that grew across the street in our garden. We made our own honey, maple syrup and apple cider. I always loved food and I didn’t realize that I had an affinity for cooking per se until probably after college when I moved to NYC. I just fell in love with the diversity of so many amazing restaurants, different cultures, and melting pots that you could see through food. So this was probably in 1989.

AM: That’s amazing!

It’s interesting that you decided later on that you wanted to be a chef. I’m based in NY as well, the first vegan restaurant I went to was your restaurant Pure Food & Wine.

CHEF MK: Oh wow!

AM: Yes, so it’s exciting to talk to you as your food was my first experience in that area. I'm not vegan myself, but when introduduced to it and getting to taste the flavor profile it was a great experience. Tell me about your culinary journey from where you went to school and kitchens that you started in.

CHEF MK: I basically moved to NYC right after college because I knew that I had friends there and I knew that that was where I wanted to be. I had planned to go to law school and instead, I took my first job at Christie’s when it was on 5th Ave. That was great and I realized that I wanted something social in my life. I was taken out to dinners and it was always so exciting going out to restaurants. I went to Hawaii for a little while and I did some hiking to decide on what I was most passionate about and I just had this idea that I wanted to open a restaurant in NYC. I had no skills or training whatsoever. So I enrolled in the French Culinary Institute (editor’s note: now called the International Culinary Center) and studied there and in the evening, I worked for about a year at a really amazing Southern Italian restaurant that was on 60th street I think called Malvasia and it was a chef from the island of Lipari and I just fell in love with the Mediterranean diet and flavors, the non use of butter for the most part, wild fennel and all of the exotic but clean flavors. That really resonated with me because that’s how I like to eat and live, but I had never seen it in that fashion. That had a really big impact on me, even though it wasn’t a 4 star restaurant or anything, it was really nice. The chef was kind of a known chef at that time. Gael Greene and all of the food critics from the NY Times, New York Magazine came through there so I got a real education at school, but also at this restaurant because I was there when it opened and I was able to see the whole thing come together and what was important in NY. I just got a massive education in one year.

When I graduated from the French Culinary Institute, some of my friends had gone to work at La Caravelle, which I think was a 3 star restaurant in those days. It was one of the top French restaurants like La Grenouille and so forth, but La Caravelle had a new American chef and he was hiring a new team and I went there and worked – it was very classic French. I then got a call from the manager of the Sicilian restaurant that I had worked at and I had only been out of cooking school for a year maybe. He said that he was hired to resurrect a restaurant that had been doing great, but the chef left and it had come apart. It was really struggling and it was a very high profile location and expensive restaurant. He said that he told the owners that he would only take the job if he could hire me to be the chef! I had no management experience, I had never been a chef, but I knew that I could do it. I took that job and I think that that was in 1991 and we got great reviews. Somehow, I worked around the clock and the owners were Brazilian and they asked me to open a second restaurant with them and then in 1993, a taxi cab went through the window of the first restaurant. Nobody was hurt, but it was full, but somehow, no one was hurt. It didn’t go through the dining room, but it smashed through the window and ruined the store front.

I said to them that this was a good time to change the concept. I wanted to do something North African inspired, Mediterranean, but not strictly Italian and they said that they would do it if I put my name on it. So, I did, we opened a Matthew’s in 1993 and that was my first restaurant. It was really an intense, well my whole career has been intense! It was very fast moving. My life was all about food and whatever exercise that I could get in. I would go home after 10 or 12 hour days and I would cook for my wife at that time. It was really a love affair with food.

AM: That is an amazing story of how you know, you got to have your name on the restaurant and opening it! Did you think at that time that you would be who you are now in terms of writing 12 cookbooks and all of these restaurants, concepts, and partnerships that you have?

CHEF MK: Well, that was before it was common for chefs to be able to do that. Daniel Boulud at that time was the chef at Le Cirque and Jean-Georges Vongerichten was the chef at Lafayette and then he opened JoJo his first restaurant right around the corner from me at the same time that I opened. So it was something hard to visualize in those days because it wasn’t very common for restaurant owners. There was a guy called Tony May who had a bunch of Italian restaurants – he had 3 or 4 places, he was like the king, but it just wasn't common in it just wasn't common in those days for chefs to be licensing and franchising. Wolfgang Puck did it a little bit, but that was mostly relegated to California, Vegas, and San Francisco. But there weren’t any chefs that were doing it on a global scale at that time. There may have been 1 or 2, but it wasn’t a thing like it is now.

AM: You are known as a super star chef who focuses on vegan and plant-based. Why did you want to go into this area? For those readers and listeners who may not be familiar, what is the difference between raw, vegan and plant-based?

CHEF MK: Sure! Well first, I’ll answer the last question first if that’s ok. Raw vegan which is what I got into first, it’s an entirely plant-based diet where nothing is heated over 110˚ F/120˚ F which is where enzymes are more active below that threshold and so you have to get creative with raw vegan because a lot of things aren’t good raw. It prohibits certain things that aren’t great for you. So it’s a really good diet for the digestion and great for so many things – elasticity of skin, hydration, but it’s tough to do it all year around.

Whereas, vegan, you can make anything – pizza, muffins, scones, anything! Raw vegan is more limited, but at the same time, that limitation encourages creativity. So they’re quite different although we create raw components to our non-raw food restaurants all the time.

AM: Very interesting and tell me about Matthew Kenney Cuisine which seems to be the umbrella that houses your restaurants, partnerships, products, innovations and concepts.

CHEF MK: Well as time evolved, even after Matthew’s, we had a really successful place and then the neighboring restaurant that was a block away wasn’t doing well so he said to me, “you’re always full and I have this great space and it’s not working, why don’t we do something together?” So I opened a second place, a casual place a block away. It did really well, but the partnership didn’t do so well and I left that. Matthew’s was just a really hot place for the first few years and I had a lot of offers and I couldn’t help but say yes too many times. I opened Mezze in Midtown next to the offices of Conde Nast at that time. Then, I opened a restaurant in Soho across from the Mercer Hotel and another one on 22nd street and one in Atlanta and in Maine. These were pre vegan days. That kind of got in my blood not just creating menus, but creating experiences through design. Whether it’s through music or uniforms, I just really fell in love with the idea of building restaurants. Running them is a different kind of challenge! Up until 1999 and 2001, I was running this decent sized company from my late 20’s to my mid 30’s.

You also asked me about vegan! I had gotten more and more into longevity and I have always been interested in fitness and exercise. In college, I made my own meals that were really healthy. They weren’t vegan because it wasn’t a thing then. It was in NY when I started to get more into yoga and more aware of how I felt and I started talking out loud to friends saying that I thought that I could be a vegetarian. In Maine, I grew up hunting by the way and fishing. But I just felt drawn to it – I liked foods that were clean, less stimulating, earthy and balanced cuisine. I felt that, but I didn’t know how to translate that into my career. I was also at a point where I was doing food that was more comfortable American like Truffle Mac & Cheese – these things that were trendy then. I didn’t really enjoy that because it wasn’t creative enough and it also wasn’t what I wanted in my body. I was disconnected a little bit, there wasn’t an alignment between my profession and my personal life. So, my old girlfriend at that time, made a reservation to go to a trendy restaurant at that time in Tribeca with a friend of ours. He called us after we made the reservation and said, that he had only been eating raw food which I had never heard of as a type of cuisine and he wanted to take us to a place called Quintessence which happened to be a block from our home – we didn’t know about it. We went there and the food was kind of weird and it wasn’t particularly exciting and it had strange names, there was no music, no wine, but everyone in there was so passionate about their diet and their lifestyle. They were just glowing with health! I had not seen people like that and it was full! It was just a lightbulb moment where I thought, that if somebody could actually make plant-based cuisine or raw cuisine sexy and fashionble and contemporary by applying classical culinary training to it, that could really change the way that we eat. So that was the moment where I pretty much went vegan right away!

AM: Wow!

You have a number of restaurants around the world. What goes into your thought process when it comes to deciding where you want to locate next, a partner that you want to have, the kind of concept and aesthetic that you want to bring forward?

CHEF MK: Well, we’re changing that model a lot. Basically, I always felt that focusing on the brand, the mission, the narrative and forming a team that can enhance that vision and keep creating. Just keep innovating because this space has so much runway and so much opportunity to make a difference by adding new styles, new recipes, formulas and new science. I really wanted to create a brand that would be attractive to the outside world that was looking for solutions and was looking to transform their business or their real estate property or to bring plant-based into their schools. So really, it’s all about the innovation aspect and the content and it stems from there. We’ve been fortunate to have opportunities that approached us for the last 5 years constantly from all over the world. But I’m making a shift.

I’ve been opening a lot of restaurants and have sold or closed a few restaurants over the pandemic because I want to be able to reach a larger audience and really expedite the shift in the global food dynamic and having plant-based be the center of the plate. That’s why we launched education during COVID, we had over 4,000 students in over 80 countries online at the Food Future Institute. It’s why we’re doing media projects and a bunch of partnerships with different brands and companies that serve food or products in different ways and experiences. Lastly, with restaurants we’re shifting towards more of a licensing model because it’s very hard to run restaurants in multiple states much less other countries and so pretty much at this point, we’re partnering with larger groups, developers, hotels, and brands that we think can grow a relationship at scale.

For example, we work with Kushner International, they’re based in Duabi. They have 15 or 20 properties and we work with them, we have a full service restaurant at one of them and we’re opening a second and then we’re working with them on 8 or 10 of their properties to do enterprise training by providing their chefs with tools and content to add plant-based to their existing menu. So those are the kinds of situations where we develop relationships where we can grow with them and we don’t have to do things that we’re not good at such as dealing with construction and all of that. So we’re really shifting to be entirely of that model within the next year.

AM: Which I think is really smart. Like you said, it allows you to focus on the things that you’re good at and that you want to be able to spend more time on.

CHEF MK: Yeah, it’s not our skill set. I grew up and my dad was a contractor, but I can’t be on a construction site and running a company doing a lot of things. The people that are really best at culinary for example, they don’t have experience with this type of thing. It’s just not practical for us and when we have the opportunity to do it through the licensing platform, that’s best.

AM: I actually met you back in 2019 in the fall at Ladurée’s event here in NY when they released their vegan menu at an editor event at their Soho restaurant. It was a fun event and it was inspiring to hear you talk about that at the luncheon. What does it mean to you when you are instituting plant-based menus in restaurants that still have non-plant-based dishes on the menu? People such as myself who eat plant-based half of the week or certain meals are able to be exposed to these innovations.

CHEF MK: Well, that’s where I see it going. That’s why I use the term “shift the global food paradigm,” because really what I’m looking at realistically is that the whole world will not go vegan. But I do believe that there will be a major shift to plant-based being 70-80% of what we consume. Therefore, we’re in a world where we’re all connected one way or another. So, I don’t have a problem with that as long as we’re not promoting or serving the non-plant-based. I’m not an activist per se. I'm not an activist per se. I'm an activist through art and that’s how I do it.

“I want to be able to reach a larger audience and really expedite the shift in the global food dynamic and having plant-based be the center of the plate.”

— Chef Matthew Kenney

AM: We’ve been enjoying some of the new items from your brand, Ntidote which you launched at Expo West. The Pizzalmonds are amazing. Why did you want to launch this company which focuses on nutrient dense, functional foods, and supplement powders?

CHEF MK: Well, I just like Dr. Amir Marashi. He’s passionate, we have the same taste and he’s wonderful to work with! I know that whatever we do is going to be aesthetically pleasing, he’s committed to quality and I like where he is coming from as a doctor. He’s a very passionate person and that’s a big part of it. That’s the thing about Ntidote, I had the Trail Mix for breakfast and they’re very functional foods and also foods that really help us eliminate toxins that go into our bodies. It’s a big market segment and I felt that we had a perspective on where to get the best ingredients and how to activate them through the sprouting process and it’s really quite straight forward, but it’s meant to be very high quality, straight forward, non challenging for people to understand and I think that it can grow in a lot of different ways. I love the brand itself. It started off as an idea in doing a bar.

AM: Oh!

CHEF MK: We did a Ntidote Bar. It had ingredients that no other bar had like pine pollen and some really cool things and it was hard to produce them for a reasonable cost. So then it was higher to sell them at the right cost. We pivoted and then this is where we are now. I’m really happy with it and we did a nice job I feel. I love the branding and I’m just really pleased that it’s simple.

AM: I like that you were talking about that. I love the packaging. I’m a huge fan of almonds myself, so having these different flavors was really great to enjoy. I also received Golden Magic Powder, and I have found that to be lovely as well.

What’s your process like in terms of onboarding the different assortments that you'll eventually have and are there new things that you’re looking to add later in the year?

CHEF MK: We’re launching with a pretty large portfolio of products, so I think that a lot went into that and the branding and now, a lot will go into developing relationships with retail outlets or whoever will be carrying it. We want to nurture those relationships first and then once that part is stable, we’ll certainly look at other ideas as I have too many ideas and I have to learn to shut them down a bit because I really want to be able to do it right. So I want to be able to do this first phase in the right way.

AM: That’s exciting and I will definitely keep my eye out for it. I like how clean it tastes and then you begin to think about how you can incorporate it into things like my salads and other dishes. I think you guys did an amazing job with that.

How did the two of you come together to decide to do this? Had you worked together previously?

CHEF MK: No, I had a restaurant at the 1 Hotel in Miami and Amir came to a talk that I was doing. It was just a sunny weekend day and I gave a talk and maybe there was a demo. He approached me after and we just started talking and he asked me if I wanted to do something. We talked about what we wanted to do and he mentioned that we could do a bar because he’s a doctor and he really wanted to add value to his patients health by focusing on food. We decided to collaborate to do it together.

AM: Are there upcoming projects outside of this brand specifically or anything that’s coming up that we should keep an eye out for?

CHEF MK: Yes, we have a lot. We’re involved in a new company called Mates Brands and Jamison Ernest is the founder and he’s a very talented entrepreneur, he has a great eye and a really great style a great way of bringing people together. Mates is a company that will take experts in their fields and celebrities and pair them with a producer of a certain kind of product or service that they co-develop that will fall under that umbrella. The initial group is Venus Williams, Kate Hudson, Vanessa Hudgens and somehow, I got in there.

So that’s really exciting and we’re working on a few TV projects and I’m excited about both of them at production studios here in California. We just recently opened our restaurant in Doha it’s beautiful! They created this gorgeous green restaurant for us and that just opened. The next opening is in Palm Beach and then in the fall in Monaco. These are all licensing and strategic partnerships and we’re working on a sort of bespoke alcohol line where we just partnered with an influencer Sean Wotherspoon and then Matt Fontana my friend that owns BESTIES, the best vegan convenient store in the country and we opened Vegan Coffee, but it’s actually a curated sneaker shop in East Hollywood. We’re partnering with a group that has a yacht it’s solar and electric sustainable beautiful yacht that will have charters with high end plant-based cuisine. We’re actually training the chefs here today that have been with us here all week and we’ll be on the boat. So, we do a lot of different things probably involving 70 or 80 different types of projects!

AM: That’s great! I was literally going to ask you if there was anything that you would want to do that’s on your list of things to do and in just hearing you, you’re covering so many different verticals. How do you take time for yourself because I’m sure you’re traveling a lot and you’re checking on projects. But what do you do to kind of center yourself and to get back to self-care?

CHEF MK: Good question! Well we look at the entire spectrum from food growing to when it’s served and actually beyond that. My partner Charlotte, she is also my Creative Director, she has 5 towers and some of them are in the ground and she grows more food then what wecan eat here at home and she starts everything from seed. So we look at that and we partner with different groups that are going to be sustainable growing methods and we get involved with them. But on the back end, we work with Lomi which is a really cool composting machine for the home and they’re developing one for the business. It’s really cool because you put all your waste in there, press 1 button and 12 hours later, you have your compost which goes back into the garden. So we look at the whole spectrum, anything that is sustainable and promoting longevity not just for humans, but for the planet that is pleasurable, well designed, and stylish, that’s when we really get engaged into that whole entire process.

It used to be strictly food and I used to stay in my lane on that, but then I realized that sometimes that’s not enough because a lot of people are environmentalist and other people only care about their health whether it’s vegan or they’re not. Some care about animals. So we really have to embrace the whole thing and that’s why we leaned out our model to the point where we’re not physically going to be running business because instead of us being 70% operational and 30% innovation – it’s going to be 90% innovation and maybe 10% supportive of the various partnerships. That’s why I made that change because the other way of doing it which is what I have been doing for the last many many years, it wasn’t sustainable for me. I’m 59 this summer, I’m healthy, but I don’t sleep enough and I don’t feel like I give or work to the best of my potential when I’m not rested and taking time for yoga and meditation and so forth. That’s why I’m taking this model so that we will remove the majority of that operational aspect and I feel like we’ll be much better and we’ll add more value to society that way. I can also take care of myself better!

“That’s why I use the term ‘shift the global paradigm,’ because really what I’m looking at realistically is that the whole world will not go vegan. But I do believe that there will be a major shift to plant-based being 70-80% of what we consume.”

— Chef Matthew Kenney

AM: You touched a little on TV projects that you’re working on. Do you envision doing a TV series or there are so many interesting culinary shows beyond the competition ones that are a travel meets cooking experience. Do you forsee or do you have plans for that?

CHEF MK: We do! I’ve been approached many times over the years for competitions and reality shows and it wasn’t really my thing. I’m more reserved. I’m comfortable on camera, but I don’t have the desire to be on camera. If I can tell a story and make a difference then I’m happy to do it and it’s also good for our company and for exposure. So, I get excited for that reason and the reason that we can make an impact, change habits, and inspire people hopefully. We’re working on 2 shows. 1 is more of a 1-on-1 type of solutions based talk show almost with celebrities and athletes that are looking to become plant-based. I don’t want to drop names, but I have names but I have had experiences with quite a few in the past and we want to do a show like that, because we believe that will be entertaining and the known figures will draw an audience, and people are interested in them, and also they will be influential in changing habits because watchers, viewers will see that and see them taking that initiative and then we’ll support it. I have a really large global network and one of my really good friends is an expert in hydration. It’s simple, but it’s not. So we have a lot of contacts like that that we will bring into the show.

The other one will be more travel. I always loved No Reservations.

AM: Same!

CHEF MK: It would be around food travel and food technology. The innovations in the food space globally. We might go to Finland where someone is creating an alternative protein with air or whatever! But it’s not about running into a laboratory it’s more about another person, what inspires them, what their background is, their local culture and the team that they built. So it will be great. I could drink a bottle of wine with them and who knows. So that will be the 2 shows that I’ll be working on.

It's not out of a desire to be on television. When I was young, Bobby Flay and I used to share a summer home in the Hamptons for 2 or 3 years in a row. He really wanted to be on TV and I really wanted to be behind the scenes. But now that I’m closer to 60, I feel like that I have a story to tell about longevity. It’s not just about people who are older, it’s about preparing for longevity when you’re young. So I think that there is something to tell in this show and to share. There will be cooking involved, but it’s not just that.

AM: I think that is awesome and I would definitely watch something like that.

When you’re cooking for yourself, what are 3 ingredients that you tend to have on hand and feel is so versatile to the dishes that you cook?

CHEF MK: Lemons, good olive oil, and sea salt. It’s not just that, I love Fuji apples, broccoli and greens but Charlotte grows them here so they’re always here. I love having a nice pantry. I love oils and seasoning. I love yuzu. I could give you a really long list but the first things that come to mind is great sea salt, lemons, and olive oil.

AM: As someone who has done so much in this space, have received a number of accolades and you have such a passion for it, what do you want your legacy to be seen as when people look back to the work that you have done?

CHEF MK: It’s not really about me. I don’t care about the legacy of me. But, I do want the work that I have done for so many years, because there are much easier things that I could have done, and I really want that to be able to carry on and to see plant-based to where it should end up. Having it at the center of the plate. I want people to be able to understand it and hopefully, it’s part of our education to kids. We learn the capitals of states, names of countries, algebra, and so forth, but we don’t understand our own bodies where food comes from and I don’t want to see a society that’s ill unnecessarily. I want people to be able to enjoy their lives much longer into their later years and to feel better while they’re young to have more of a productive society and hopefully one that’s also more emotionally balanced because of what foods can do for our well-being. So, I want to do everything that I can to put that momentum out there and to be part of it. That’s my goal. I don’t have any personal aspirations.

AM: As a personal question and one that we have talked about throughout our issues - so many people are talking about gut health and some eat gummies, take supplements, drink tonics etc. From your point of view, what are ingredients or items that people should be eating for their positive gut health.

CHEF MK: I think that most people are dehydrated, including myself because water can get boring and even when we do drink enough water, it’s not always assimilated in the right way – certain types of water, certain types of pH balances. Supplements we can do to kind of cover that. I think that's probably #1. I would say that #2 is chewing food because our digestive system doesn’t have teeth and it’s really critical. Those 2 things, can make such a difference to our digestive system. But then also, some things digest more quickly. We’re not animals so that’s why plants are so valuable. But understanding food combining, and what to layer and not to layer, eating watermelon on top of a big meal for example is not a good idea. Digestion is everything. Removing toxins and potential toxins from our body is everything and it’s critically important. I never thought about it. As young people, we don’t think about it. But when I got into plant-based, I did a cleanse with this really quirky doctor and it just changed my entire digestive system. I felt like I was flying! Ever since then, I have been acutely aware of how my digestion is, what I eat and how it will impact my digestive system. I love sweets, I love ice cream and I indulge. I eat whatever I want. But I’ve trained myself to eat what’s good for me without much effort, because I already like these foods anyway. I’m always excited to walk into a health foods store, but I think that it’s a big subject and it’s definitely everything. Because you can be on the most beautiful place on the planet, gorgeous sunny day, and be on vacation and if you’re digestion is not working properly, you cannot enjoy it!

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THE ART OF THE SNACK | Archer + Goat

This month's The Art of the Snack takes us to Archer & Goat in Harlem. With a menu that merges Latin American and South Asian flavors as well as a number of beverages that will be perfect for the upcoming season, we know that this will be a good time! We took a moment to sit down with Chef/Owner, Alex Guzman to find out more about the meaning behind the name, the ambiance, menu and more.

ATHLEISURE MAG: Please tell us about you and Jenifar Chowdhury's culinary background and what led to opening Archer & Goat?

CHEF ALEX GUZMAN: I grew up in the hospitality industry and have worked in both front of house and back of house positions in restaurants in Miami and New York. My wife did not have much prior experience in the restaurant world prior to opening our place but we both share in our love for food and reverence for restaurants which led us to opening our own place, Archer & Goat.

AM: What is the significance of this name?

CHEF AG: The name, Archer & Goat, is based on our zodiac signs, I am a Sagittarius (Archer) and my wife is a Capricorn (Goat). We feel that our personalities align well with our astrological signs, which means that though we are very different, we make a great partnership in both our personal and business lives.

AM: What cuisines are offered here and how do these play together?

CHEF AG: My mother is from Ecuador and father is from Puerto Rico, my wife's parents are from Bangladesh. We were both born and raised in the cultural melting pot of New York. Our cuisine is a mashup of all of our backgrounds including Latin American and South Asian flavors. Our chicken vindaloo arepas with cucumber raita and cotija cheese is a classic menu item that reflects the mashup really well.

AM: When did you open and why did you want your location to be in Harlem?

CHEF AG: We opened four years ago, about one year prior to the pandemic shutdown. We have lived in Harlem for over a decade and there really is no neighborhood quite like Harlem - the diversity and sense of community here is really special, and we are humbled to have been able to contribute to the neighborhood with our restaurant.

AM: Tell us about the design aesthetic for those who are coming in to dine?

CHEF AG: Archer & Goat occupies the garden level of a townhouse in a beautiful historic district in the heart of Harlem. When designing the space, we wanted to create an intimate convivial vibe, with a long bar as well as an open kitchen. When walking into the space, we always tell people to look up to see one of our favorite design features - the pendant ceiling light fixtures which are in the pattern of the Sagittarius and Capricorn constellations. We also have outdoor seating areas in the backyard, which is great for small private events as guests have the space to themselves, and front patio, which great for people watching!

AM: What are the spices and ingredients that are specific to the cuisines that are at Archer & Goat?

CHEF AG: Our sauces are key ingredients to making our dishes unique and pop with flavor, including our cilantro chimichurri, sofrito, mint mojo, and panch phoran mayo, which is made with panch phoran Bengali five spice blend.

AM: What are 3 appetizers that we should try when we come in?

CHEF AG: The Crispy Brussels Sprouts, Plantain Chips with mint mojo and panch phoran mayo dipping sauces, and our A&G Preservation Platter with house pickles, marinated olives, and candied pistachios.

AM: What are 3 entrees that we should have in mind when we pop in with friends and family?

CHEF AG: We love every item in our tightly edited menu so it would be hard to pick just three! If we did have to choose, it would probably be the A&G Burger with Fries, Roasted Duck, and the Shrimp Curry.

AM: Brunch is always our favorite meal of the week. Tell us about your brunch offerings.

CHEF AG: On the weekends, we offer both our brunch and regular dinner menu all day. Our brunch menu includes American comfort brunch classics with our own unique Archer & Goat twists. Our Breakfast Arepas which is a version of steak and eggs crossed with eggs benedict includes a very unique pickled cilantro hollandaise. We also have a Hot Chicken Sandwich with pickled strawberries and maple aioli, and Spiced French Toast with orange marmalade and rose whipped cream.

AM: Cocktails are always a must to enjoy with any good meal. What are 3 that we should have our eye on?

CHEF AG: The Archer, which is hibiscus ginger agua fresca spiked with mezcal; The Goat, a turmeric margarita, and The Naz, which is a masala old fashioned.

AM: In terms of dessert, we love sharing, what are 3 that might be great for the table?

CHEF AG: Our Tres Leches Panna Cotta and Flan are always on our menu - both are a light and refreshing end to a meal at Archer & Goat. We usually have a third dessert that rotates, such as our Chocolate Tart with a tea biscuit crust and pomegranate whipped cream.

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ATHLEISURE LIST | ROOF AT PARK SOUTH

Nick Bathurst, Founder of TH/RST Group, Food & Beverage Operator Manager of the ROOF at Park South talked to us about our new favorite place that just opened for the season on Apr. 27th. You can swing by Sun. and Mon 5pm-10pm, Tues - Thurs 5pm - 11pm and Fri + Sat 5pm - 12am.

The spacious roof deck has high-top tables right by the edge for a bird’s-eye-view of the Manhattan skyline as well as lounge-y areas that are beautifully decorated like the Umbrella Lounge low-top tables under bright orange umbrellas; the Flower Area, the space’s focal point is at the roof’s rear offering privacy, and Garden that features potted plants including sunflowers and a colorful live wall.

ROOF at Park South is also the ideal location for semi-private and private gatherings, ranging from 15 to 175 guests in vignettes specifically designed for events that maximize the guest experience. They also offer creative, customizable food and beverage offerings for parties of all sizes.

Shared plates are perfect for a rooftop experience at the ROOF at Park South as they create a relaxed and social atmosphere, allowing guests to engage in conversations and share food. With a global menu curated by Chef Bryce Shuman, guests can explore diverse flavors while enjoying the rooftop views. Shared plates are also great for large groups who do not want to sit for a formal dining experience.

Nick suggests 3 dishes that we should order our Brisket Sliders with maple BBQ sauce and pickled onions. The combination of tender brisket, smoky flavors, and the tangy sweetness of the maple BBQ sauce creates a mouthwatering experience. For those who enjoy a hint of spice, the Spicy Mangalitsa Pizza is a must-try. Topped with chilies and drizzled with honey, this unique pizza balances heat and sweetness in a harmonious way. The spicy kick is complemented by the natural sweetness of the honey, resulting in a flavorful and satisfying treat. Also, our Shrimp Cocktail with cocktail sauce and lemon is perfect for the summer.

He also suggests 3 cocktails created by Beverage Director, Ivan Papic - their Famous Froze which combines rosé, Singani 63, raspberry syrup, and lime. The Passion Fruit Daiquiri features plantation rum, passion fruit, and lime. For a classic option, try the Bee's Knees with Ford's gin, honey lavender, and lemon. These refreshing cocktails embody the essence of summer at the ROOF at Park South.

Keep an eye out for the NY Pride and Fourth of July Celebrations.

ROOF AT PARK SOUTH

125 E 27th St

NY, NY 10016

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ATHLEISURE LIST | FILTHY FLATS

Filthy Flats opened in March of 2023. The name is indicative of the end result after topping their crispy flat bread with fresh, flavorful, and delicious sandwich options. Also, one’s hands and face might become slightly filthy while devouring such a delectable sandwich.

Founders Randy Narod and Joseph Anzalone began the Long Island Bagel Café chain over 20 years ago, but it was Joe who has been working to perfect their signature hand-rolled bagel over the past 30 years. Realizing they could keep the same recipe and process, then simply flatten the bagel to create a crispy base - Randy decided to try a new open-faced concept. He met with Joe who attended culinary school and had a prolific background in food preparation and presentation as well as innovative chefs from Elegant Affairs Caterers, which Randy also co-owns, to create a diverse and delicious ALL DAY menu putting a unique spin on classic sandwich favorites.

They takie dietary restrictions and preferences of its customers into consideration when creating the menu. They introduced a gluten-free cauliflower flat bread as a substitute for their flat bagel. This holds the toppings well and is equally as tasty while serving the dietary needs of its customers.

If you're swinging by for breakfast, we suggest their Bacon Egg and Cheese, Avocado and Feta, and Tuna Melt. For lunch, their Cranberry Chicken Salad, Cubano, or Mike's Hot Honey Pepperoni Pizza is a great open-faced meal! For dinner, we're thinking about Korean BBQ, Reuben, and their French Dip (roast beef melt). Of course, you always need dessert and we suggest The Cannoli, The Nutty S'more, and The Strawberry Cheesecake.

Each quarter they introduce new selections which are their Philly Cheese Steak and the Chicken BBQ Ranch.

To add to your meal, you can add Plain Tots, Tots with Cheese, and Tots with Bacon and Cheese. They also have grab-n-go items like bagel chips paired with Cranberry chicken salad, tuna, and avocado, as well as sweet treats.

In addition to dropping by, you can order online for pick up or delivery direct at filthyflats.com or through DoorDash, Grubhub, or Uber Eats. They're expanding and will be opening more stores before the end of the year, so look out for them to pop up throughout NY!

FILTHY FLATS

32 Court St

Brooklyn, NY 11201

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63MIX ROUTIN3S | CHEF MATTHEW KENNEY

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S3. E6. ATHLEISURE KITCHEN CHEF MATTHEW KENNEY

On today's episode of Athleisure Kitchen, I sat down with Restaurateur, Author, Entrepreneur, and Celebrity Chef, Matthew Kenney. He has been at the forefront of plant-based cuisine and showing how it not only benefits your body, but can be elevated, and enjoyed by those that are vegans as well as those that aren't! We talk about how he got into the industry, the restaurants that he came up through and how he began to blaze a trail in plant-based cuisine at a time where this was not a space that was widely seen. He breaks down raw vegan, vegan, and his plant-based philosophy. We talk about how he approaches his business, his partnerships, licenses, and creating functional foods that are full of flavor such as his latest, Ntidote. He also shares upcoming projects that we're excited to see how his journey continues as he furthers his plant-based mission.

Athleisure Kitchen is part of the Athleisure Studio Podcast Network and is a member of Athleisure Media which includes Athleisure Mag. You can stay in the loop on who future guests are by visiting us at AthleisureStudio.com/AthleisureKitchen and on Instagram at @AthleisureKitchen and @AthleisureStudio. Athleisure Kitchen is hosted by Kimmie Smith and is Executive Produced by Paul Farkas and Kimmie Smith. It is mixed by the team at Athleisure Studio. Our theme music is "This Boy" performed by Ilya Truhanov.

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MEMORIAL WEEKEND | BOTTLEROCK

Bottlerock is one of our favorite festivals that kicks off the first unofficial weekend of summer and includes music, food, wine and beer all in one festival in Napa! This weekend’s acts are a number of our favorites from Wu -Tang Clan, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Duran Duran, Nile Rodgers & Chic, Thievery Corporation, Post Malone, The Smashing Pumpkins and more!

On William Sonoma’s Culinary stage, we can’t wait to see chefs Jose Andres, Andrew Zimmern, Roy Choi, David Chang, Voltaggio Brothers, Todd English, Adam Richman, and so much more!

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BEING THE ECHO | CHEF YIA VANG

There is something about a great meal that allows you to enjoy the flavors, the ambiance and so much more. When the food becomes a gateway to a deeper understanding about the people and culture, it's truly an immersive experience that leaves you with a bigger takeaway.

This month, we're pleased to sit down and chat with Chef Yia Vang, who infuses his passion for food by sharing his love for Hmong food, his parents as well as the people that it comes from. This multi-nominated James Beard Award chef whose restaurant is up for Best Chef: Midwest for a 2nd year in a row, has two restaurants in Minnesota, Union Hmong Kitchen and Vinai. He is also the host of Feral, competed on Iron Chef: Quest for An Iron Legend, hosts his podcast Hmonglish and more. He tells us about the food, his philosphy and the importance of representation.

ATHLEISURE MAG: When did you first fall in love with food?

CHEF YIA VANG: You know, food and I have a really weird relationship. If you say food in terms of kitchen cooking, I would say that kind of for me, it’s kind of like that high school sweetheart that you started dating and then said, “I don’t know man, I’m going to college and we’re kind of like different people right now.” So I did some other things and then we went through this really weird break up thing where we were together, broke up, and got back together and then like 15 years into it, I said, “I think that I kind of love you!” I might as well put a ring on it! Then, when I got into that mode where it’s like, “hey man, we’re each other’s kind of ride or die right now, huh?”

I always say that about 10 years ago, what happened for me was that I re-fell in love with my first love. I always knew that there was something about working in kitchens. It made sense to me and there was this thing inside of me that it made sense, I just didn’t know why. It took me awhile to figure out my why and once I figured out my why, everything connected and through the hard, the bad, the good, the ugly, and whatever, I knew that this thing made sense.

AM: At what point did you realize that you wanted to be a chef?

CHEF YV: I never – I don’t think that, see I was the dude that grew up saying, I don’t want to do this. I’m not trying to be you the guy who says, don’t give me that title. I really believe that titles are something that you earn and it’s something that is given to you, so I never went out claiming that I wanted to be a chef you know? I knew that I loved to cook, but again, it had to be more than just food and cooking for me. So for me, it was this idea of storytelling. My father is a great storyteller. We always as kids growing up – when he put us to bed or you know, when we would sit down, he would tell us Hmong legends and myths and he was really good at telling stories. So, I found myself as a kid, have you ever seen the movie Big Fish?

AM: I have!

CHEF YV: Yeah, you know how the whole movie, Billy Crudup’s (Jackie, Watchman, Almost Famous) character has weird issues with his father because of the stories that he tells and he doesn’t understand him. That was me growing up because I didn’t understand my father. As I got older, I realized that I am my father and as much as he is a primal storyteller, he can captivate an audience, that was also a part of me. Instead of using pen and paper, a typewriter or a computer, we get to use food as a canvas to tell stories.

AM: What was your journey in terms of where you trained or kitchens that you came up in to get to where you are today?

CHEF YV: I never knew that culinary school was a thing. I didn’t do that and I’m so glad that I didn’t do that. For some people it works! We have chefs that work with us who came from culinary school and they’re incredible you know? I’m one of those people that if my hand touches it, then I can understand it. If I understand how the concept works, then I will be able to do it. My dad, he doesn’t understand English but if you give him a table, he can look at it and reverse engineer it in his brain and he can build it. So for me, that's how I work also. It was just me working in kitchens and I was so young when I started that I was too dumb to realize that what I was doing here, that was very hard. I was just working on my feet for 12 hours and felt that that was what everyone did. I know that I had a sense of what was “kitchen culture,” when I first started, 20 years ago it was like, “hey kid, you just go and you just earn your spot.” Because, that’s just what you do. Don’t try to talk about how you feel. I worked in a lot of kitchens and again, while I was doing it, I never thought that I would actually be doing this. I felt that that was a job, I was doing it at that point to get to the next bigger and better thing.

AM: In preparation in speaking with you, I like reading that you said, that for you, cooking is about intention and interpretation and that that came from your background as a communications major at University of Wisconsin – La Crosse. That struck a chord with me as I was a Telecommunications major at Indiana University and I got that! Can you tell me what you meant by that?

CHEF YV: Again, my first goal in college when I got in, all I cared about and I was kind of a gym rat. I wanted to play football and I wanted to play college football. That meant that you had to be an Exercise & Sports major or you had to be a Science Teacher. Right when I got into Biochem, I was like, “dang this is too hard!” So, I literally changed majors a couple of times and I ended up with communications. In my first class, the professor asked, “what is more important? The interpretation of the message or the intention of the message?” We had this big discussion and she gave us this study and we read that 70% of the people based on this qualitative and quantitative study said that the interpretation of the message is more important than the intention of the message. So as cooks, when we’re cooking food, I can say, “oh yeah, this is what my intention is and this and this.” I want to do it this way, because it should be eaten this way. But if the interpretation of the message isn’t interpreted like that, I think that as cooks, we need to readjust ourselves. That doesn’t mean that we’re changing our values and beliefs in what we’re doing, but we have to say, how do we get the message across? In communication, communication is not a monologue. It's a dialogue between 2 people. So, if I am trying to explain something to someone and they’re not getting it. I have to ask myself, “what do I need to adjust on my end?” I think that we live now and the pendulum swings right? It started with the customer is always right. I think that the pendulum swung to that side and then there’s a whole group of chefs who are like, “F- you! The customer is not always right, and we need to explain our intentionality.” Now, it has swung to the other side and what we’re doing is we’re having guests who are dining with us and they don’t get the food. They pretend that they do because you have to look good in social media. So that’s why for us, that’s why I say, “hey, there’s a happy medium over here.” I want to talk about Hmong food. What makes Hmong food, Hmong food? Even Hmong people, we can’t make a decision and be consistent on what is Hmong food. If our own people can’t figure out what it is, how are cultures from the outside going to be able to figure it out? So for the last 7 years, we have had the pleasure – I call it the pleasure, the pain, and the everything to try to say how do we create guard rails, not rules and guidelines around Hmong food. So yeah, it’s been a pleasure in being able to do that.

AM: It’s great that you said it like that because when I interview chefs that are known for Mediterranean cuisine, Italian, French etc. I will ask questions that focus on foods, ingredients and tastes that are indicative of those culinary styles. But again, in watching your videos and hearing you talk about this food and how you see it, you say that Hmong food is a philosophy, and it involves the people that are woven into the food. That is such a great concept. How important are the people to the food in your opinion?

CHEF YV: It is the most important thing. Our food is our people and our people is our food! When you get a group of people that doesn’t have a home and doesn’t have a country of their own, and they don’t have any kind of “marks of identity,” what they do is gather around food.

Because if you think about food, food is so core to survival right? It’s that thing that keeps us alive. Well of course what keeps us alive and is so core to our survival is the closest things to our hearts. It is for us, the way that we think about food, it’s the same way that some people think about their family. They think about the people that are the closest to them.

You know, when my parents came to America, they had to change the way that they cooked because cooking in the mountains of Laos over woodfire, pots and pans in huts made out of tree barks and bamboo, is different than cooking in a duplex apartment in Wisconsin, you know?

AM: Right!

CHEF YV: They had to change and they had to adapt and to survive the way they did things. The reason why is that they had to raise and take care of their kids! As a kid who’s 5 years old who comes to America and then I eat the food that my mom and dad cooks here in the United States and of course it’s going to be different than where they’re from and have a different flavor and taste! But the heart of it is still the same! What we love talking about is the food that we grew up with is Hmong food because it’s made by Hmong people. It’s Hmong food because it’s touched by Hmong hands. Our people if you can see back from generation to generation, it’s about survival and for the first time, my generation, my group of people as I’m 38, those of us that are here now, all the millennials that are the Hmong kids, this is the first time in a long long time in our history, that we don’t have to worry about uprooting and constantly having to move. We don’t have to worry about war and we don’t have to worry about death. When you have a civilization that doesn’t have to worry about that, they have the ability to grow, to dream and to imagine. They have the ability to wonder. I was just joking with a friend this morning and I told him that I felt like Moana from Disney! I can wonder beyond the reef! I feel like I can ask those questions like mom and dad, what’s beyond the reef? Because everything that I have known is in the reef, but now we’re one of the first generations like myself and my nieces and nephews and those that are younger, they can wonder and talk to themselves and think about this idea of wanting to be an architect – what’s an architect? I want to go into finance, what's finance? All of these things are completely different and it's a whole new world! The reason that we can do that is off the backs of mom and dad who cooked this food for us. I’ll be damned if I look at that and say, “well, I’m going to make a twist on it.” How dare I make a twist on anything? I get to add on to what they do. So that’s the way that I think of Hmong food and that’s the way that we can challenge the way that people think of it. We get a lot of push back here and there. But the truth of the matter is, I think that that is food generally. Isn’t that what it’s about?

We have a big family! So there is that thing of wanting to have something better and being able to sacrifice for it. It’s the same thing that our parents did for us. It’s great that we pay an homage to the old school stuff. I think it’s amazing and I do that all of the time. But to say that this is how we have to be – no, that’s how a civilization or a group of people remain stagnant. We live in a world of advancing forward. For our food company, we always say that our core DNA, our core functional values are 3 words are “moving forward together.”

We got those words and are inspired by them because of my mom and dad’s journey escaping Laos after the war.

My dad always said that as a group of people that lived in the jungle for months and months to escape the murders, the genocide as a group, we always had to keep moving forward together. Move forward together.

The question of why are there melting pots all through the Midwest?

AM: Yup!

CHEF YV: Like go to Dearborn, Michigan. There is a huge Muslim population there. Like Dearborn? Dude, they didn’t go to Dearborn, Michigan because of the weather. St. Paul, Minneapolis, has the largest Hmong population. We didn’t come here because we love the winter. We’re from the hills where it’s sunny and muggy, here it’s -30˚ for 5 months!

We didn’t do that, it was survival! In that connection of survival, especially with food, it connects our humanity together. As much as we are different, we’re not that different. That’s what we choose to tap into. In a society and a world that’s all about the pendulum’s swing where it’s let’s all the be the same or we can’t all be the same – that pendulum continues to swing back and forth to create that dichotomy in this country. I say, “hey, we are different, but we’re not that different.” We can share that with Hmong food. We don’t have to wait for a culture to dub us worthy or to hear our stories. No, we have our stories and if you allow us a little corner of the stage, allow us a little corner of a soapbox, we want to tell you that story.

AM: We have spent the last 2 years trying to get an interview with you because of everything we've seen about you on TV and although we have yet to go to your corner of the world to eat at your restaurants personally, We love the messaging and awareness that you do through your food. It’s an honor to be talking with you right now.

CHEF YV: Thank you so much! That means so much! At the end of the day, I have these college buddies of mine and we’re so tight and they always ask, how do you keep it together and I’m like, “I don’t know, I hang out with you idiots!” I tell them that they keep reminding me that I’m just a Wisconsin boy that still doesn’t really know what he’s doing. I love that you know? I love going home and my mom – I remember the first year that we got our first James Beard Award nomination and I was so excited and told her. She was like, “that’s nice honey. Just take the trash out when you leave.”

AM: Haha well that’s the Midwest in us!

CHEF YV: Oh yeah, that is! I remember last year when we were finalists and I was explaining to my mom what it is and she was like, “oh, does everyone in Minnesota get one of these?” And I’m like, yeah, yeah mom sure haha! It’s like bless her heart you know? I feel very very honored to be here and to be able to do all of these things, the TV and it’s such an honor to be part of all of these things.

AM: You’re the chef/owner of Union Hmong Kitchen. Like you said, it was a James Beard Award nominated semifinalist, tell me about this restaurant and what are 3 dishes that we should try on our next visit?

CHEF YV: For sure, we have all of these things going on and we’re very blessed that Union Hmong Kitchen started as this tiny little pop up tent thing at Farmer’s Markets. We always say that Hmong food consists of 4 elements. We don’t say that Union Hmong Kitchen is authentic Hmong food. We don’t say that. It’s a gateway to understanding our people and our food. So we always have the following. Think of meats and three. We always talk about that. It’s the best way to communicate with people especially Southerners when you’re talking about meats and three.

So Hmong food consists of 4 elements. There’s a protein, there’s some kind of rice – it’s either jasmine rice, sticky rice and then you have some kind of vegetable. Sometimes our vegetable is in a broth or sometimes it’s just a vegetable. The 4th element is a hot sauce and there has to be a hot sauce. So when you come to Union Hmong Kitchen, that’s what you’re going to get. You get to pick your meat – your protein and you have your sticky rice – we have purple sticky rice which is historically connected to Hmong people and then you pick a vegetable side. Sometimes it’s a noodle or straight up right now it’s Brussel Sprouts or something and we’ll change it up since Spring is coming. Then we have a couple of different hot sauces that we traditionally grew up eating. So it’s meat and threes, it’s dealers choice.

What we’re very proud of is the Hmong sausage that we created. It is a recipe that my dad showed me growing up. It wasn’t like he taught it to me. He made it and I watched. As I grew older, I would say, “hey dad, can we try that?” We won a couple of awards with it and it’s funny. Again, I told my dad, I mean we’re from the Midwest so you have all of these sausages since it’s sausage central and I said we won it with the Hmong sausage that he created. I brought the trophy to my dad and he was like, “really they liked that silly recipe?” I was like, well this is in your honor I guess! To me, that’s a very very special thing. It’s part of dad’s legacy. We’re to the point with that where a really great Eastern European sausage company, they now make this for us with our recipe. It’s the coolest thing ever to see a Hmong recipe being made in a Ukrainian family which is almost a 70 years old company here.

AM: Oh wow!

CHEF YV: Yeah, you know what I’m saying? How amazing is that?

Nick, the son who is the owner, he’s just like, this is one of our best sellers here. A Ukrainian family making a Hmong sausage which they love themselves using and now it’s in Twin Stadium and now we’re trying to get it out to local shops and stuff like that.

AM: That’s really cool.

CHEF YV: Exactly, so me and Nick are talking together and with everything going on in Ukraine – all the refugees in Ukraine and all the war in Ukraine. I’m talking to him and I understand that as a kid who is a refugee and comes from war too. It’s different parts of the world and yet again, we’re very different, but we’re not different.

That was a tangent but yes, we have Hmong sausage and we worked very hard on our pork belly. Obviously, we have the chicken, and our tofu is good as well! Again, I don’t want to say, these are our 3 dishes, just come in – but we do have what we call the Graze Feast! For me, it came from when we were very poor in college. But when all of the dudes scraped all of our money together, we would pitch in and we would go to Famous Dave’s and we would get the Trash Can Lid BBQ. Do you know what I’m talking about?

AM: Yeah I have had friends who went there!

CHEF YV: Yeah so basically, you get the highlights of the menu on a trash can lid and Famous Dave’s still has that. So this is an homage to that and we call it the Graze Feast. It’s served on a bamboo rice basket. We lay it out on a banana leaf and we put everything on it and it’s like the best of both worlds. If you’re 4 people, I tell them to get it because it is the bang for the buck. You get the whole tour and secondly, you also get a whole fried fish on there too. We have a fried Bronzino fish that we throw on there and that’s another mom and dad classic. My mom loves cooking a whole fish and deep frying and grilling it for dad. Dad just sits there and lives his best life now. His favorite thing that he loves to do when he has the whole fish and all of the sauces on it, if his grandkids are around, he likes to pick off all the meat and to put it on their plates so that they don’t have to fuss with it.

AM: That’s really cute!

CHEF YV: It is. Apparently for King Crab as my nieces and nephews love it, he takes them out of their shell and for shrimp, he peels it for them. I look at them and I stare at them in their eyes and I say, “you don’t know what struggle is kid!” We used to have to pick our own meat and now they’re living it up, those Gen Z kids!

AM: True, but that’s a food memory! They’ll be 20/30 years old and every time they eat that, they will remember what their grandfather would do for them.

CHEF YV: Yup and Kimmie, they’re going to all be soft! They’ll complain that they have to pick it off themselves.

AM: You also opened up Vinai. What does that name mean and I love this residency concept and we’d love to know more about it.

CHEF YV: Over the last summer, we had the chance to run this residency. Vinai again has been that problem child. I love it so much, but they don’t sleep and it cries all of the time. We struggled a lot with the financing to get that building going. So the last 6 months has been an exciting time for us as we can now visually see that this is coming together the way that we thought. My parents always taught me this idea. You don’t just sit there and sulk when there is a problem. My dad always says that you work the problem and you keep moving forward. My mom said that when they were in the refugee camp, it wasn't with us. They had to live everyday and just continue to move forward.

So we said that Vinai wasn’t really about a building. It’s about the people, it’s about the food. So what we have been able to do with Vinai, is to do this residency. After COVID, there were spaces that were open and they were looking for partnerships – a lot of bars, cocktail rooms, etc. They were like, frick, we have to figure something out to get people back and to get butts in seats. So we connected with some of our friends that had these places and partnered up. So we started these residencies so that we could give people a glimmer of what Vinai would be.

Vinai Is the name of the refugee camp that my parents met in ’77, they got married in ’78, I was born in ’84 and as a family, we left there in ’88.

AM: Oh wow!

CHEF YV: Oh yeah, they were there for 10 years. So Vinai from 1975 to 1992, hosted about 90,000 refugees. Out of those 90,000 refugees, 90% of them were Hmong people. And all of those Hmong people who came through Vinai, ended up in the Midwest – all over from Ohio to Wisconsin, Kansas City and Minnesota. So mom said to us, Vinai is not where our story ended, but is where our story started.

So Vinai, the current brick and mortar that we are working on right now, is a love letter to my mom and dad. It is their legacy captivated in a menu, in a building that has a specific design. Vinai is also one of those things that as we were growing up, as Hmong kids, we would talk to each other and ask which camp you were in. It was a way that we would identify with each other. To the white kids that heard us, they didn’t get it that we were born in a camp somewhere that was a summer camp. We’re like, “yeah it’s a summer camp, but not really – you don’t know when you’re going and you don’t get letters.” I just wanted to be able to make these names that we grew up with to become very normal just like if someone says Washington, D.C., Seattle, and NYC. In American culture, we know those names. I wanted to take the name Vinai outside of the Hmong vernacular and conversation so that it becomes part of majority culture. So when people talk about Vinai, I get to talk about mom and dad. I get to talk about the war and how they suffered for 10 years and not knowing as it was a stop gap for all of these Hmong people – 90,000 refugees. The Thai government didn’t want anything to do with them. The US government didn’t want them to come in because of issues regarding refugees. To claim these refugees would be claiming that the US was at war and there was a secret war in Laos that the US had won, but people didn’t know and there was a deal that was made with all of the people that fought. Fought like my father that regardless of what happened, that he would be able to come to America and get free citizenship because he fought for the US government. Then that conversation became one that people said that that didn't happen.

So there was denial in that. So all of that was going on during those years and just a little name, we can talk about that.

So that’s what it means and the dishes that we get to do in there, it comes from mom and dad’s table. Now is it going to be exactly like there’s? Absolutely not. I don’t think that our mom and dad would want us to do that. I know that they don’t want us to do that. My mom has said don’t make it like this, add your touch to it, but this will always be a part of you. We get to showcase our chefs and we have some incredible chefs. The majority of our chefs aren’t Hmong. We always talk about that and I’m very clear. Hilltribe, our mother company, is not about Hmong people just for Hmong people. If you look at the history of the word Hilltribe, those were the tribes of the people that lived in the mountains. It was the people that nobody wanted, the people that they said were the low people and they were not wanted by others. I couldn’t imagine living off of the mountains. I told all of our staff that we were the people that when people said that we were cooks or working in kitchens that we weren’t going to amount to much. It’s where a lot of the troubled kids go to right? It’s that culture mentality, the never will – so I tell them, we need to prove them wrong. What happens when a group of people come together and say we’re going to change the way that we live. We're going to deal with mental health issues, we’re going to deal with substance abuse and deal with all of this stuff. We’re not going to run away anymore from this. That’s why our company is called Hilltribe and we always say, cook from who you are. I don't expect you to be a Hmong cook. But I do want you to love your background, your culture and to love all of that as much as I love being Hmong. To my Mexican brothers and sisters who work with us, I want them to dig into that. To my Ecuadorian brothers and sisters, I want you to dig into that. To Tony who is Chinese, I want you to dig into that Tony. So Hilltribe isn’t just Hmong for everyone, it’s a place where the people can come – the outcasts and the broken can come in and show people what a group of broken people as they come together can go and reach out for more broken people and to create a place of refuge.

That’s why at Hilltribe, our restaurants have to be out more than just the food. If we're only all about food, then all we're going to do is just have pats on the back and accolades so that magazines can write about us. But it has to be more than just that.

So that’s the culture of what we’re driving, but everything comes from mom and dad. Our kitchen table was always open to anybody. If mom was making dinner, she didn’t care what color you were, what you were socioeconomically, or your background. You always had a place at that table. I learned that watching them. I want to be able to continue to do that for all of our restaurants.

AM: That sounds amazing and just doing that is a lot. Yet, you are constantly on so many different TV shows. You have Relish the PBS show which is a great look at the culinary cultural heritage of a number of people who are in the Twin Cities. Such a great concept and are you working on another season of this?

CHEF YV: Yeah we actually are next week! This time instead of doing these 10mins vignettes where we stitch together all of those 10 mins to create an entire show, we’re going to do full episodes. So we’re starting on Mon and it’s Relish but they call it a Relish 2.0. I think that the show is so much fun especially being in the Twin Cities. It's great to engage with people and the show is so much fun. We’ve been super blessed to be on so many different media outlets and many different shows.

I can always tell because I will get stopped you know in public once in awhile and they’ll say, “I love your show!” I can always tell by the age of the person who’s saying it, what show they are talking about. It’s like, are you talking about the Outdoor one, are you talking about Netflix or our feature on Bon Appetit or whatever? It’s always that age group that’s at 62 or above you know it – it’s PBS, public television. Prime time on public television is Sun at 2pm. So when they’re saying it, I know you’re talking about Relish. They’re so funny. They always think that we filmed it last week and we just put it on. So they’ll say, that I was talking about a certain restaurant and they’ll describe it to me and I know it was 2 years ago. They'll say that it sounds good and they should go visit it and I have to tell them that with the pandemic, they had to close.

AM: Right!

CHEF YV: Yeah and they’re like, “but the episode was last week!” So I have to explain to them how TV works and how production works. It’s always fun and that one I really love. My agent is always really funny about it. She’s LA and she’s always focused on getting the best deal. I love her and I get what her job is. She’s like, there’s no pay in that and she doesn’t want me to do things where she feels that I am not getting my worth. I’m like, Lauren, I love this and the producers Amy and Brittany they’re always great to work with and initially the concept was that my mom and I would cook together, but when the idea was pitched, they let me know that they wanted me to host this show for 6 episodes. People ask me where I went for my media training and I tell them that I learned at PBS. I was very blessed and the producers and directors are amazing. I love them and now with this other season coming up, we’re growing it and it’s going to be really big.

AM: That’s awesome! Last summer I enjoyed seeing you on Netflix’s Iron Chef: Quest for an Iron Legend. I’m a huge Iron Chef fan so seeing you on Quest, I was like, what?

CHEF YV: That show was incredible!

You know, first of all, I was just dumbfounded that Gabriela Cámara was standing next to me. Dude, in my mind, I was like, don’t fanboy man. Act like you have been here before, be professional. In my head, I was like, “I love you!” She’s the sweetest lady ever. Very small and petit, but huge personality! She gives me a big hug and after we were done, she hugs me and whispers in my ear, “yeah, I didn’t want to cook against you, I wanted to cook with you.”

AM: Nice!

CHEF YV: I thought oh wow, could we record that for everyone so that everyone can understand that she said that to me and I didn’t make it up? It was amazing and it was a great time! We filmed it in the midst of the pandemic.

So as a group, and as a restaurant, we were like, we need this win. Not like to actually win it, but to be there and to do this for fun and to celebrate together. It was incredible and the response from it globally, was incredible. Hmong people from all over the country and there’s a group of Hmong people that ended up in France because of French colonization in Southeast Asia. One of my favorite things is that I got a DM from a young Hmong lady who lives outside of Paris.

She said, “hi I want you to know that I’m Hmong. We watched the show because my boyfriend is a huge Dominique Crenn fan and she was on there. When I was scrolling through there, I saw you and your name and I thought to myself, I think he’s Hmong. When I watched that episode and that first introduction, by no means of me doing anything, I cried because it was the first time that I saw our people on this global level.” She continued by saying, “my boyfriend’s French, I’m disconnected from my culture and I felt so proud being Hmong at that time. I looked at my boyfriend and I said to him that’s our people, that’s our story. She told me that being in France, they don’t talk about Hmong people.”

It was a global thing. There were Hmong people in Australia that DM’d us letting us know that they loved sharing the episode with their friends to let them know about our people. That to me, I’m not a huge competition TV person. I knew that when Netflix came and they had that offer, we had to do it and we were doing it, we would do it the Hmong way. We were going to do Hmong food on there. Even though some of the producers wanted us to be more global, we told them that we were sticking with Hmong food. I knew going in that we probably wouldn’t win. I didn’t care, just being on there was a win for us! As chefs, we were like, “dude, if we beat Gabriela Cámara then we know that this was rigged!” That was amazing and it was fun to be part of that and to be in that Iron Chef family.

AM: You also have Feral! Congratulations on the 1st season and I know you’re renewed for the 2nd season as well which drops later this year.

CHEF YV: I don’t mean to interject, but we’re actually just shooting season 3.

AM: What?

CHEF YV: Yeah, I leave in 10 days to start shooting season 3!

Season 2 was all filmed this fall right before the beginning of winter. But I’m leaving in a couple of weeks here to shoot season 3. The 3rd season was renewed about a month and a half ago. I think that they have all the creatures down and the locations down. They just need to clear up a couple of them. I’m really excited about that.

I tell my team that filming wise, I need about 8 weeks a year to do filming projects. 10 months out of the year, I’m there, I’m a restaurant guy. We train and we have an incredible team that takes care of business. They take care of everything while I’m gone which is the equivalent of 8 or 9 weeks.

There are some creatures coming up where I’m like, ok holy crap. I have no idea how I’m going to handle that, but I will just have to get it done. There’s some freaky stuff where I’m like – frick!!! Season 2 was pretty crazy, we had some freaky moments where I was like, what the hell am I doing here? It was amazing and season 1 was awesome. I learned a lot from season 1 to season 2 and heading into season 3. Sometimes you learn that nature doesn’t go along with filming production crews. You just have to say, ok, I'm trapping a beaver right now. The beaver literally looks like an overgrown rat and I have to skin and cook it up. It has some weird teeth looking at me, it’s 40lbs and it’s heavy, and it smells like wet dog. You gotta do it!

AM: What drew you to the show? It’s an interesting concept, you have these animals that are invasive in the environments that they are in. You learn how to trap them and then you cook them. What was it about this that made you want to host this show for all these seasons?

CHEF YV: So, here’s a couple of things. Before I get into anything, I always ask myself, what am I doing? First of all, I will be very very honest. I have been very honest about this. When you think of Outdoor, you think of white dudes, hillbilly hicks, hunters that lean towards the right. When you think of the Outdoor Channel, you know the persons that you’re thinking of, right?

AM: Yes.

CHEF YV: I get that. To be completely honest, some of the media stuff that we did for Outdoor - this is a media outlet. We live in a world and a country where it’s ok to have different perspectives. Right away I knew that this was different. Most of them have never heard of Hmong people. They have never heard of the Hmong story. They never heard about the fact that if you want to talk about patriotism, the Hmong people like my dad at a young age, was contracted out by the US government and trained by the CIA and Special Forces to fight in the mountains of Laos for American interests. They were patriots before ever being guaranteed any citizenship to the US. So when you have people who are saying, true citizenship and patriotism, my father is one of those. He loved America so much that he risked his life to fight for America not even knowing if he would ever come to America. I get to talk about that, the whole intro of our show is about that.

At the end of the day, the idea that going out into the woods, the jungle to some waterway and finding whatever invasive creature is out there to harvest and to hunt them, and cooking them – that is what they do in the mountains of Laos. Lizards, bats, sparrows, weird looking eels, and fish. That’s what my parents did. That’s what my dad did as a boy. I get to do what our people have been doing for thousands and thousands of years. I get to do that and there is a show about it. While others might think that it’s weird or gross, eating an iguana or a lizard for Hmong people in the mountains of Laos, it’s not eww or gross, it’s actually a Tuesday. That’s the protein that they can get. Having pork and beef, that’s a luxury. Saying you have pork to us, that’s amazing that’s a celebration!

AM: Like you said, it’s about survival and what you have that is in abundance to you. There are dishes that can support this if this is what you have in order to nourish your body. It’s important to juxtapose that and let people know that this is not just something that happens in other parts of the world, but in various parts of the US as well. Either by necessity or people simply enjoying it.

CHEF YV: I also think that what I am trying to say to the audience is this, look at home, you may make Chicken Dumpling Soup, but now, we’re making Squirrel Dumpling Soup. You’re just changing the protein out. Again, we’re different, but we’re not that different. Because the base to both of these things is still the base. The reason why you use chicken is because it’s easier to get chicken at your store. Why is Darrel from Southern Illinois using squirrels? Because that is in his backyard and the closest grocery store is an hour away. This isn’t him trying to be cool and to use it as a shock factor, he’s using that squirrel because there are plenty of squirrels that have been gnawing on those frickin’ acorns and they have that extra thick hind quarters, you know what I’m talking about? Like 3c’s kind of thick.

AM: Squirrels are vicious!

CHEF YV: Yeah like if that squirrel had yoga pants on its ass would be turning heads kind of thing. That’s delicious! We’re still talking about squirrels right?

AM: So in addition to your work in TV, you also have your podcast Hmonglish. It focuses on people, culture and Asian excellence. How does it feel to use your platform in this way, but also to talk about people that you also want to highlight?

CHEF YV: Prior to Hmonglish, we had this little podcast called White on Rice. We were interviewing all these people from Minneapolis and it was kind of our way to counter not being able to hang out and be with people during COVID. So, we thought, we’d bring people in a room that were 6' away from us so that people could hear what they were doing. It was cool because people enjoyed and felt that they were getting to meet all all of these people because of our longform podcast. We weren’t really smart about anything. But then when we really started thinking about it, Hmonglish came from when we were growing up, we would speak to our parents in Hmong but then there would be these English words. So if I was asking for a computer, I would say it in Hmong but then would say computer in English. So the Hmong kids, we just started calling in Hmonglish. I noticed that what Hmonglish really meant was this beautiful collision of 2 cultures. When you have 2 cultures collide, you’ve created a 3rd culture and in that culture, you’re trying to make sense of what it means. When you create a new culture, you’re trying to figure out what the norms are. You’re trying to figure out how to speak another language like for example you do fashion and all of that stuff, so when like Hip-Hop culture struck mainstream culture, there was this 3rd culture that was created right? Because mainstream had this culture where everything was formal and you enunciate very clearly and then you have Hip-Hop culture that hit it and that was more of a go with the flow and you had this different flowage and then it’s like does mainstream culture become Hip-Hop culture? Is Hip-Hop culture mainstream culture? Or how does mainstream culture affect Hip-Hop culture or does Hip-Hop culture become more diluted? There’s all these questions and all of these conversations.

The same thing with Hmong people or Hmong Millennials who either came to this country really young like I did or was born in this country. The Hmong Gen Z. I was born, I’m an American, but man, I’m still Hmong. How does this work? So we just had all of these Hmong guests come in who straddle these different cultures and who talk about their experiences.

Like Xee Reiter is a good friend of mine and is an incredible, incredible artist. Water painting, water color – all of that stuff. Her husband is white and they have been married for 15 years and she’s talking through that. We’re talking to another friend of mine, Pahoua Yang Hoffman who is the Senior Vice President of Government & Community Relations of one of the largest healthcare provider here. She’s an executive and she's Hmong. What does it mean to be an executive and you're rolling with all of the big boys that make the decisions that are billions of dollars. How do you do that not only as a woman but as Hmong? There are all of these expectations like Hmong women are docile and submissive – how do you navigate that? It’s such an incredible podcast and we dig deep into that.

We have these incredible guests such as Lee Pao Xiong who is the foremost and knowledgeable Hmong historian of our people. He traced our people back to 7,000 years in China. So, talking to him and listening to what he has to talk about in the Hmong stories and in our culture. It helped me understand that this is where we come from. We get to share that with a huge audience group. And again, we have gotten some really incredible responses. People DM our producer and it’s one of those things that I want to be able to put some really good production value on it so we spent a few good pennies on it to make the production value really well. We believe that in doing something beautiful, we want to make it great. We also know that for Hmong people sometimes, it’s just about getting the product out there, it’ll be good. We were like, no, we’re in a world where looks matter, the way it sounds and how it’s put together strategically – it’s been really cool!

AM: That is amazing and just looking at the accolades, the restaurants, the awards, being a TV personality, being a host, having your podcast and I’m sure you have a ton of other things that you have coming up as well, what do you want your legacy to be seen as?

CHEF YV: Honestly and I mean this with all of my heart, I actually don’t want to be seen in terms of a legacy. There is no legacy here. It’s mom and dad’s legacy. I am merely a mirror that reflects them. I want people to look at what we do and then I want them to be driven by these 2 people. My mom and my dad who are in their 70s, who are grandparents, who live in the suburbs, they have a little plot of land where they have a small farm where all of their produce comes to our restaurant – no money asked, no money put down.

AM: Wow!

CHEF YV: All they want to do is that they want us to live a life where they knew that they could never have. But they want us want us to live it. So that’s all it is. I want people to look at what we do and I want to direct them back to my mom and dad.

So the reason why is this. Last year I won when I was a nominee and then a finalist, my sister is a therapist. She’s the family therapist. But she always therapizes the whole family and I don’t even know if that’s a real word, but I always say that. I’m pretty sure she called my mom and explained to her what the James Beard is and what that honor meant. Because my mom wouldn’t know that by herself. When mom called me randomly that night after it was announced, to say that I was so proud of you, I was like, oh my sister called you.

I’m driving home from work and I’m pretty drained and tired. She congratulated me and said that she was so proud of me. She told me that she wanted to tell me a story that she felt a little ashamed to tell me. She said her plan was not to tell us kids about it until she was on her death bed as she felt ashamed about it. She said that when she was younger, she was caught and put in this war prison. She said that they were in there for a year. It was the worst time ever. There was no food. Communist propaganda would come in and say, just leave your family and marry a Communist man and forget your life. There was not enough food for the children, kids were dying and her first husband was killed. Her babies were all taken away and she said that it was the worst thing possible. We grew up in a Christian household, so when she was there, she told me that every morning she woke up in that camp and she would pray to God that he would let her die as an act of mercy. She felt that life was so tough, that the only way that she thought that she could escape is to die. She wanted to die, every morning she wanted to die. She said that one morning she woke up and she had that same prayer asking for God to let her die that day. She said that what was different in that morning was that there was a voice inside her heart and that that little voice said to her that, “I’m not going to let you die, because I have great plans for your children. They are going to change the world. They will do big things so I’m going to need you to survive a little longer and I’m going to need you to push forward a little longer.” She said that when she heard that my name is among the names of all of these great people in the country and you were one of the best, and they were looking to you for leadership, “I knew in that moment that it made sense. That moment 50 years ago made sense. That’s why God didn’t let me die in that camp and I can hear that today.”

I don’t know Kimmie, when you hear things like that, for me, everything changed. For me, it was no longer about this legacy that I was going to leave, it’s them. Somebody suffered, somebody went through pain, somebody went through a war camp – talk about trauma. To live on a glimmer of a hope that one day your children, to know that there is a special plan for your children and I need you to go through all of this to take all of this and one day you’re going to see it.

AM: Wow.

CHEF YV: That’s it, I don’t give a shit about my legacy. I don’t want to be known. I love these interviews. I get to talk about them. Do you know why I do this TV stuff? I don’t want to be a TV star, it’s too much bullshit in it. I do that so that people can look at it and say wow, we have to go to this restaurant, wow we want to know more about his mom and dad, we want to know more about their story. I’m just an echo. If there is a word about legacy, I want to be an echo of them. That’s it, hands down. The rest of the stuff is just little details.

AM: I have never talked to someone where in every facet of everything that you do, is paying homage to your parents, your people and how it is ingrained in every single thing. I’ve never talked to someone who has just been so authentically that.

“That’s it, I don’t give a shit about my legacy. I don’t want to be known. I love these interviews. I do that so that people can look at it and say wow, we have to go to this restaurant, wow we want to know more about his mom and dad, we want to know more about their story. I’m just an echo. If there is a word about legacy, I want to be an echo of them.”

— Chef Yia Vang

CHEF YV: We were interviewing PR groups and one of them said, “yeah the whole family thing and culture – that’s your schtick.” I was very angry and I wanted to say F- you dude. If you think that this is a schtick, I don’t think that you're the right people for me to work with. This isn’t a schtick man, this is life. There’s going to be chefs that come out and out cook us, great - awesome - good for you. But they’re not going to tell our story better then us. I live this and I will die this, you know? I don’t give a crap. I will live in the basement of wherever to keep everything at low cost so that we can put all of our funding into making this work. I want you to know that I am the first to make all of the sacrifices. I’m the first to inject my own personal money when we can’t get payroll going for last month. We’re going to do that and there’s no amount of cost that I wouldn’t do and we’re going to do this.

That’s the thing that I want to be able to teach our chefs on our team. Find something in your life that you’re that passionate about. I don’t care what it is. Find it and work for it, fight for it in the same way just like mom and dad. To this day, they still do that. They’re retired, we’re all adults. They don’t have to do that. We have our own lives and we do our own thing. They still on my frickin’ birthday gives me $100 and he’s like, this is for gas. I’m like, what and he tells me that he wants to make sure I have enough in my car. They’re still warring for us! It never stops and I think that they’re heart has this go go nature. I look at my father and I don’t give a crap, I had a great example of what a man is, what a good father is, what a good man is and I tell people.

How do you know what it means to be a good man? Look at my father. If I can be quarter of who he is, how he takes care of us, how he loves us, how he fought a war to get us here – if I can be a quarter of that, if I can be a good husband one day and hopefully to be a good dad one day – that’s who I’m looking to!

My mom ferociously loves us. She never gives up on us. When I visit her, she always tells me that she’s praying for me and the restaurant. She says it constantly and even when I want to give up on myself and say that I’m done, she’ll pull me aside and say, “hey, this too shall pass. It’s ok.” This is coming from someone who sat in a war camp as prisoners and tells me that it will pass. She has seen it all, she has seen hell, she has seen evil. She still says that it will will pass. In COVID, they looked at us and said it was ok and it would pass. She said that they had been through things like this before. They never panicked about COVID. I love it, that’s my parents. Like I said before, the food is just the tip of the iceberg. There is something deeper and richer here.

I really appreciate media outlets like yours that want to dig into that. Like we have the easy and low hanging fruit like culture, being all about family and if you want to do a 500 word piece on that, that’s great and we can do that too. But for those that sit there and say that they’re going to sit down for 2 hours and hear about this, I’ll go deep man! I’ll go deep deep into this!

AM: We have a lot of stories and we love sharing them!

CHEF YV: It’s awesome to see the different kinds of groups of people that are there. There’s also people there that I admire myself and I’m like oh that’s awesome! So I felt all fanboy like yeah!

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THE ART OF THE SNACK | LUTHUN

In this month's The Art of the Snack, we're heading down to NYC's LES for an epic meal! We had the opportunity to sit down with Chef/Founder Nahid Ahmed and Chef/Partner Arjuna Bull of Luthun. Both of these founders have been friends and clearly have a passion to bring a culinary experience to each plate that is served to you! We also talk about the beverage program with Sommelier Jahdea Gildin. We talk with this team to find out about their backgrounds, how they came together and what we can expect when dining there. With an open kitchen as well as tasting menus, we know that this is going to be a restaurant that we will find ourselves coming back to again and again!

ATHLEISURE MAG: When did Luthun open?

CHEF NAHID AHMED: Luthun opened on July 25th, 2019 in the East Village.

AM: Chef Nahid Ahmed and Chef Arjuna Bull, please share your backgrounds and culinary journeys that brought you to Luthun?

CHEF NA: My culinary journey began when I studied at a culinary school in Lausanne, Switzerland in the early 90s. During the program, I had an internship with Chef Gray Kunz, who became one of my mentors, at Lespinasse in New York City. After returning to Europe to finish my school, I worked for another mentor of mine, Swiss Chef Philippe Rochat at his Restaurant de L'Hôtel de Ville in Crissier, Switzerland. I came back to Lespinasse, where I worked for a few years under Gray Kunz and left around the same time he did. He connected me with Thomas Keller at The French Laundry where I worked for a while but not being a big fan of Napa Valley at the time, I went back to Europe and Philippe Rochat’s restaurant again, which has held 3 Michelin stars for over 50 years. After that, I had a chance to work at El Bulli in Spain for some time, then at The Fat Duck in London where I moved to be closer to my family. While there, Gray Kunz calledme and said he was opening Café Gray in New York so I went to help him and met chef Arjuna ‘AJ’ Bull who also worked there. I worked there with Gray until it closed, then at the Plaza Hotel for the reopening of the Oak Room but it was not a fit for me and I started thinking about opening my own place. Then in 2011, I got a chance to open Respite in Midtown. I brought in Chef AJ and the two of us helped open this little place. It was not ours, but we ran everything. It was a hole in the wall and we had so much fun there. That’s where the whole idea of Luthun came to my mind. I wanted to open my own restaurant, to do my own things, to cook and create my own cuisine. So, after that, I worked at bunch of other places, I did pop-up dinners all over, while working on funding. And then I finally opened Luthun in 2019, my long awaited dream: Luthun restaurant in New York City.

CHEF ARJUNA ‘AJ’ BULL: I went to culinary school in Miami and graduated from Johnson & Wales in 2000. I did my externship at The Fontainebleau Hilton Resort; it was good experience working in all different departments. But then I took a quick vacation to New York and I fell in love with the industry, so right away I moved here and started working at a lot of different places. One of the biggest highlights was when I got to work with Chef Nahid at Café Gray, where I worked for a couple years with him. It took me to the next level; experiencing Michelin food changed my whole vision and goals. I did a bunch of pop-up restaurants with Chef Nahid. In the meantime, I had a couple other executive chef jobs, just to get some British experience since I was born in England. It's been a crazy journey here in New York, but so much experience. And finally, we had the opportunity and found an investor. We found a cool space in the East Village and here we are at Luthun.

AM: Why did both of you want to come together to create Luthun?

CHEF NA: When I decided to open my restaurant Luthun, it was because I'm very picky about my food. I didn’t want to cook food like that of my mentors or restaurants I’d worked at. So when I set out to create my cuisine, I asked myself what kind of cuisine? It had to come from me and who I am, what I came from, where my parents came from, where I was born and grew up, from my philosophy behind the food and also from my memory of the many places where I worked, the people I met, and the many different things I have eaten. I brought it all together and made my own cuisine. And then my idea came to me as to what kind of restaurant I wanted, and I wanted this kind of restaurant that Luthun is. I also wanted someone working next to me. Someone who I can say is my friend, my chef, my business partner. Although there are many people and friends I have in this industry, but in that moment, I could only think of one person, Chef Arjuna Bull. I knew him a long time before this restaurant, and we have this connection. He understands me very well, more than anyone else in any kitchen I have worked in. He understands the food I want to cook. He understands what kind of flavor I'm looking for. So, I didn’t think about anybody else, and I offered him to be a business partner to open Luthun together.

CHEF AB: There's only one answer for that, I was super excited. We've been friends for 20 years and I never actually knew the potential that Chef Nahid had until we did some pop-up restaurants. And from then on, I was just blown away at how many different recipes and the creativity that was in his head. I was honored to have this opportunity to work with him.

AM: What is the meaning behind the name?

CHEF NA: The meaning behind the name is my mom's nickname. I lost my parents at a very young age, and I had heard my mom was an amazing cook; she loved food and she was a very adventurous eater. When I wanted to open something very personal, and the cuisine is very personal from my background and where I came from, there was nothing I could think of other than my mom’s nickname. So I put her name on my restaurant.

CHEF AB: The meaning of the chef's mom's nickname, Luthun also means something new and unexpected. So, in the East Village walking by there's brick walls and wood floors. But we beat everybody's expectations and, following the name, offer something new and unexpected.

AM: Tell us about the design and aesthetic of the restaurant for those that will come by for dinner.

CHEF NA: We are in the East Village in New York City, where every neighborhood is so different to me. Midtown, Downtown, East or West Village, everywhere is different. When I first came to New York, I lived down the block from Luthun’s location on East 7th Street between First and Second Avenues for almost a year. I didn’t know a lot about other parts of the city, so this area was to me the real New York. I'm talking about early 90s, punk rock, and all these little bars and shops, I had never seen anything like that and to me this is New York. When we decided to open a restaurant, we both agreed it has to be somewhere we know very well and we knew this area very well. We also wanted to surprise people with the food, wine and service they wouldn’t expect in the East Village, and create something very comfortable that doesn’t feel like a restaurant when they come downtown.

So we don't call Luthun a restaurant, we call this our home and if people come to your home, what do you do? You provide your best hospitality, and that’s what we try to do here. The whole team is not just front of the house or back of the house. We work together very well and we want people to come here and feel like they are in someone's home, not a restaurant.

CHEF AB: It's an open kitchen experience. As soon as you walk in, it's like you're walking into somebody's house so we give a welcoming greeting, basically, hugs and kisses. Again, it's more of our living room than a restaurant.

AM: What seatings are offered for those that are coming in for dinner?

CHEF NA: We have three seatings in the dining room at 5:30pm, 7:30pm and 9:30pm. And at the chef's counter we seat at 6:00pm and 8:30pm.

AM: Luthun's cuisine is defined as Progressive American with a focus on hyper-seasonal tasting menu with a Global Perspective? What does that mean?

CHEF NA: We don't have any boundaries at Luthun, we cook what we love to eat. We challenge ourselves by using a lot of ingredients that other restaurants don’t serve on their tasting menus, many techniques, and developing recipes to present food in a way you’ve never seen. And our goal is to introduce people to many different flavors from all over the world: Chinese, French, Mexican. As a chef, it is a challenge to cook with so many different flavors and ingredients, but we like to do that because this is a way to give our guests a new experience. That's why we call our food global and progressive, and also hyper-seasonal because we go to the local farmer’s market 3-4 times a week and talk with the farmers and fishermen about what is and isn’t coming.

AM: Each dinner service, you have a 9 course tasting meal which takes place at the counter and then a 6 course tasting meal that takes place in the dining room. Can you tell us more about that?

CHEF NA: At the kitchen counter, we serve 9 courses. In the dining room, there are 6 courses. The full tasting starts with something very flavorful, the next step adds a bit of tartness, then oceanic flavors, followed by something more French like a custard or foie gras. Right now, we have this white asparagus with uni and bottarga that is very French and Japanese. Before the last course and dessert, we go to Southeast Asian flavors we love. We serve a meat course at the end, we always try to do some kind of barbecue because this is to me America, it has to be barbecue. We keep the dessert very simple, very seasonal and very light. We don't believe in heavy desserts after so many courses and we want people to finish everything so we serve something fruity, light and chilled, not heavy.

AM: How do you approach what will be on the tasting menu?

CHEF NA: We have our one signature dish, which is inspired by fushka, a famous Indian street food that we start the tasting with. It is vegan and very refreshing with citrus and lots of flavor to introduce people to the next courses. We start with vegetables then move on to shellfish like oysters or scallops, followed by mushrooms, then some kind of custard. After that, more substantial seafood and then light meat. Generally, there are between five and six seafood courses, one or two vegetable courses and one meat course.

AM: What spices, herbs and ingredients do you gravitate towards in general.

CHEF NA: We like spices from all over the world. I’ll go to any store and get anything I see. Our sommelier is going to Armenia and I'm going to ask him if he can bring back a spice book. I want to know about every spice. I'm Indian and I like Indian spices, there are so many different spices. I have no boundaries we use spices from all over the world, whatever we feel we can make something amazing with it.

AM: Can you share 3 dishes that tend to be offered that are your favorites?

CHEF AB: The fushka is so exciting because it has so many different textures. There are raw, and blanched vegetables, acid from citrus, a little bit of heat and spice, and fresh garnishes on top. That one is mouth-watering just talking about it. Because of all the textures and the freshness, the fushka is a total go-to. I like all the seafood dishes, we have amazing vendors so the scallop dish right now is phenomenal and also one other kind of signature on the menu is a shrimp dish. The ingredients kind of stay the same but the dish has evolved since we've opened. Nuoc cham, the Vietnamese fermented fish sauce, is something Chef Nahid has created many dishes around. Right now, the dish has nuoc cham emulsion foam and foie gras sauce on the bottom, potatoes, Thai basil and grilled and smoked fresh shrimp. This is definitely one of my favorites too.

AM: Are there types of dishes or flavors that tend to be a part of the 9-course tasting menu, regardless of the season that you may be in?

CHEF NA: Everything changes. There is only one dish that we always keep, the nuoc cham shrimp dish. The flavor is very Vietnamese and Thai. Everything else comes and goes but we do love Southeast Asian flavors with a twist, say a little Japanese, and also influences from every part of India.

AM: Jahdea Gildin, you are the Sommelier at Luthun, tell me about your journey prior to coming here?

JAHDEA GILDIN: I've worked in hospitality since I was about 15 years old, my first job was at a bagel shop. And from there, I've always loved the industry, even though I took a detour. Five years ago, I jumped back into hospitality at Casa Mono, the Michelin-starred restaurant in Grammercy, as a manager while I was getting my sommelier certification from the Court of Master Sommeliers. After being part of a team that won awards and Michelin stars, I was looking for the opportunity to do something a little different. At Casa Mono, everything was from Spain so it's refreshing to be able to do something different at Luthun.

AM: Tell us about the wine list that is offered?

JG: We're trying to make Luthun’s wine list similar to the food, which is very unique in itself. It's rooted in tradition but has its own identity. Chef Nahid is classically French trained so while we honor tradition, we want to expand on it and offer wines that are less expected, from lesser known regions. We want to showcase the New World and producers or regions that are worthy of exploration rather than predictable choices. We have a very small space and with the constantly changing menu, we want to make sure that our beverage options are in line with that. Our beverage pairing, which is very popular, enables us to showcase what we think people should be drinking with these dishes. Since Luthun serves a tasting menu, guests come here for an experience and we want to provide something special.

AM: What are three wines that you often suggest?

JG: I really enjoy wine from Zuccardi in Mendoza, Argentina. In 2019, 2020 and 2021, they were the number one vineyard in the world. They make these stellar chardonnays and malbecs, that see time in concrete because to the winemakers it shows the real terroir, as opposed to using oak, which can mask some characteristics. Their Fosil Chardonnay is absolutely stunning. It has this nice little bit of roundness and is kind of white Burgundy-esque. What I like to share with people the most is that while we're all familiar with French chardonnay, it's great to explore other options. The Fosil Chardonnay is similar to some of the top white Burgundies but costs a fraction of the price. It's not necessarily a cheap wine but in comparison with the quality level, it stands with some of the best.

Another wine I'm a huge fan of is saperavi from Anapea Village in Georgia. Georgia and Armenia are both the cradle of wine civilization with sixty eight thousand years’ history. The saperavi that they make is fascinating because they ferment it on the skins of mtsvane, a white grape, in the traditional Georgian qvevri terracotta vessels. It makes a really beautiful medium bodied, fresh red with light spice, fresh flowers and some nice umami. We were pouring that on our Reserve Pairing with a Mongolian beef.

We just got a couple of labels of Gut Oggau from Austria, husband and wife winemakers that make beautiful field blends. Oftentimes they don't even list the grapes on the bottle because they had taken over this abandoned vineyard that they were able to work with biodynamic practices from day one. Each of their wines has on the label a hand-drawn picture of a family member or friend. We have the Matilda gruner veltliner, named after a grandmother, on the list right now.

AM: You also have kombucha, can you tell us more about this?

JG: Most of our non-alcoholic beverages we make in-house with a tea base similar to how kombucha is made, but we don't do the whole fermentation process. We source kombucha from Unified Ferments in Brooklyn. The difference between what they create and what’s at the grocery store is the quality. The teas they use are from different areas of Taiwan or China. They also created two different labels that come from opposite sides of one mountain in India, so they're really digging into the terroir of teas. One of my favorites is the Qi Dan oolong tea that has a touch of effervescence that gives it a really nice freshness and notes of bay leaf and citrus.

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COMFORT IN FOOD

When it comes to comfort food, you want to feel cozy and to have all the flavors possible - we want those. In addition to having your favorite neighborhood spot, we also love knowing that our freezer is always stocked with our favorites. We're talking about MìLà which is known for savory soup dumplings and amazing sauces. In addition, they also have a number of friendly freezer options that you can enjoy with your dumplings and of course, make it an epic mouth journey by pairing it with your favorite wine and spirits.

We became fans of this brand during the pandemic. There was something about eating these dumplings that reminded us of our favorite restaurants with each spoonful! So we took some time to chat with Jen Liao and Caleb Wang on how they started as a restaurant in Belleue, WA, to savory items in your freezer and their partnership with action star, Simu Liu!

ATHLEISURE MAG: We have been fans of your brand for a few years. During the pandemic, we started purchasing your soup dumplings. Tell me about your backgrounds and how you came together to launch this food brand?

MìLà: MìLà first began in 2018 as a restaurant by the brand’s previous name, Xiao Chi Jie. We opened the restaurant because, selfishly, we wanted to enjoy the Chinese street food we loved here in the States. During the pandemic in 2020, we sought to find a way to keep our employees working with us so introduced frozen dumpling delivery. People loved them and we quickly grew from just doing door-to-door deliveries with our small team in Washington to delivering along the West Coast and shortly after, delivering DTC products nationwide. The response has been incredible; people are very excited about the quality and taste of the products, which is extremely important to us.

AM: You started with a brick-and-mortar in Bellevue, Xiao Chi Jie, can you tell me about this restaurant as well as what people can enjoy there?

M: Our restaurant in Bellevue, Washington is a modern interpretation of Chinese street food bings, bowls, baos, & drinks - you can find our signature soup dumplings there as well! When we first opened the restaurant we sold out everyday for three months so, growing the offerings and bringing them into more homes across the country has been amazing.

AM: For those that are in the neighborhood, what are 3 items that you suggest that we should try from this menu?

M: Our Sheng Jian Bao is our beloved pork soup dumpling. These paired with any of the side dishes like our garlic cucumber or sichuan cabbage cannot be missed.

AM: How is it to have a brand that has a physical neighborhood presence as well as one that has a national footprint via shipping your products?

M: It all happened very naturally and quickly. What originally started as a pivot in response to the pandemic quickly grew into something larger than we would have ever imagined at the beginning. The local community in the Seattle region has been incredibly supportive since the beginning. Seeing new customers try the products and their responses to the taste is incredibly rewarding. It’s very important for us to be spreading our mission of demystifying and growing awareness of Chinese cuisine and what it means to us as “third culture kids” so, bringing this message anywhere, whether it be our home community in Bellevue or across the country in New York, is extremely fulfilling.

AM: What is your process in terms of deciding what you offer in terms of your frozen treats?

M: A lot of the flavors are inspired by how we ate them as kids. They’re our personal favorite dishes and ice cream flavors. It was really important to us to maintain the same restaurant quality for our frozen offerings, and the quality taste and ingredients in the ice cream. We’ve really geeked out on aspects like the dough-to-filling ratio, the number of dumplings with cracks, and the variance in grams of soup dumplings, which we think all make a huge difference.

AM: In addition to the classic soup dumplings that are always available, we also tried the spicy beef which was tasty. Will you add additional flavors?

M: We have offered limited edition drops in the past and will continue to release them! These one-off launches come from an intention of being super excited about a dish that’s not one of our evergreen offerings, but we still want to give people the chance to try it. We’re also working to develop other options of our hero products to provide more options for consumers.

AM: For our readers that have yet to order their soup dumplings from you, how can they correctly steam your dumplings?

M: Our dumplings are designed and packaged specifically to be cooked straight from the freezer. In a large wok or pan, and make sure to bring 2-3 inches of water to a rolling boil and place the dumplings in a lined steamer basket. Don’t forget to leave a 1 inch gap between dumplings. Our go-to tip for people is to not over-crowd your dumplings for the best results! Then, you will steam your dumplings for 11 minutes (until internal temp. reaches 165°F) and they’ll be ready to go!

AM: I love having the Umami sauce with my dumplings and I even add in some pickled veggies - how do you enjoy your dumplings?

M: We both love our classic vinegar sauce with the soup dumplings!

AM: Although we can certainly eat the dumplings alone, what is the perfect beverage and sides to have when you want to eat your dumplings while catching up on your favorite streamed shows?

M: The dumplings are delicious with any of the sauces (and followed by a pint of our ice cream, of course). We love a can of Sanzo poured over ice next to our plate. For those who are 21+, they also pair very well with a new age chardonnay. We love Jumbo Time Wines’ ‘Problem Child’ which is a 50/50 co-ferment of Pinot Noir & California Chardonnay.

AM: We loved the lamb skewers as well as the chicken skewers, do you think that you will continue to rotate seasonal or limited-time offerings as you continue to grow?

M: Yes, we will continue to do seasonal and limited-time offerings of products! Our community loves when these come around and it’s really fun for us, to dive into the process of creating the new recipes.

AM: Where do you get inspiration from when you are building product offerings for MiLa?

M: Being third culture Chinese-American, a lot of the inspiration for MìLà stems from our childhood meals and wanting to honor the cuisine while helping other people experience them as well. The same reason we initially opened the restaurant, really drives our product creation for MìLà…we want to create dishes we love and want to eat ourselves! Alongside that comes the telling of our story and mission. When we create a product we love, that mission becomes fulfilled when people try them and love them too.

AM: You recently rebranded to MiLa, why did you want to change the name and can you tell us about the meaning?

M: MìLà means honey (mi) and spice (la) in Chinese mi-, la-. Being both Chinese and American, the story behind MìLà comes to honor our traditions and add our personal touch. The name MìLà is representative of our evolution from a singular focus on street food to a national food brand that is on a mission to serve the highest quality authentic Chinese cuisine in freezers nationwide. MìLà is a way of connecting with our family’s history and using this opportunity as a reminder that the Chinese identity is constantly evolving. It is on us and our communities to create new, multidimensional representations of what it means to be our own brand of Asian American and create a cuisine that deserves a place in the American food ecosystem.

AM: We had the Jasmine Green Tea ice cream which is another favorite. Are there any new products that are coming out that we should keep an eye out for?

M: Yes, we’re planning to launch some more limited edition flavors this year. More to come soon!

AM: Simu Liu (Marvel's Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Rings franchise, Kim's Convenience, Barbie) is your Chief Content Officer! How did this partnership come about and what will he be doing with the brand?

M: We’re very excited to have Simu joining us as Chief Content Officer. A year ago, through a friend of a friend, we were connected to Simu and sent him some products. His parents intercepted the delivery while he was traveling and, by the time he got back, they’d eaten all the soup dumplings and given them their stamp of approval. We sent more over for him to try and, when he loved the products, we continued talking more with him about our mission. We all had similar experiences and a shared passion for bringing Chinese food to wider audiences so we began speaking with him about getting more involved. Now, here we are working together! Simu will be advising the company on marketing strategy and communications and will play a larger role in representing the brand across marketing channels. He'll be working with us on crafting our storytelling, shaping upcoming initiatives and driving creative activations.

AM: You have been doing a number of events to give exposure to the brand, as we continue to navigate the Spring and the Summer, are there events/festivals/tradeshows that we should keep an eye out for and will you be coming to NY?

M: Since we are currently in California and in the Pacific Northwest and working on hitting shelves in Town & Country, Metropolitan Market and QFC stores in the Washington and Oregon areas in April, we are heavily focused there. We’ll be bringing some new, fun ways for people to try the products to various markets as well as looking to expand into new markets throughout 2023.

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THE JOY OF SAKE

The Joy of Sake will be back in NYC on June 16th from 6:30pm - 9:30pm at the Metropolitan Pavilion. We enjoy consuming sake with our favorite steaks, tacos and more. This event is back for its 16th time and includes 576 labels from Japan and from the West Coast of the US. The purpose of Joy of Sake is to promote and celebrate the art and culture of sake through actual tasting events. In addition to an array of sips, there are appetizer pairings that are perfect to have from top NYC restaurants. We’re looking forward to trying items from J-Spec Wagyu Dining, Amami Bar & Restaurant, BondST as well as our long-time favorite for an immersive experience - Sakagura. In total, there will be 15 restaurants there for you to enjoy. Your ticket includes unlimited samples of sake as well as delectable bites.

Tickets are $130 and can be purchased on Eventbrite. The ticket sales contribute revenues from the event to charities and museum programs.

PHOTO CREDIT | Michael Tulipan

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SUSTAINABILITY IS KEY | DANIELLE LOMBARD

It's always great to enjoy something that has added benefits to help others! With Earth Day being this month and an ongoing focus on sustainability, we connected with Danielle Lombard who we were first introduced to on the 21st season of The Bachelor and again when she was on season 4 and 5 of Bachelor in Paradise. In addition to being on the show, Danielle is focused on sustainability and doing what is necessary to benefit the Earth in a number of ways. We talk about how we can be sustainable in a number of ways as well as her partnership with Astral Tequila through their This Round's For The House which supports the Adobe Brick Project. She shares how we can participate and how it benefits Jalisco, Mexico.

ATHLEISURE MAG: You’re very passionate about sustainability. How have you incorporated that into your life and why is that so important to you?

DANIELLE LOMBARD: I’m really passionate about sustainability just because, I have a very deep appreciation for nature and I think that over the last few years, I have become really aware of the negative impact that we have on it. Especially during the lockdown and COVID, I bought a National Park pass and I was driving around to all of the National Parks. I just realized that this is something that I love so much and that I don’t want to lose it. So what are the things that I could do at home to help diminish my footprint. I think that I do that because I compost all my food waste now, I shop consignment and vintage as much as possible, I upcycle when I can and I just try to join a lot of neighborhood recycling programs – recycling my empty beauty products and supporting sustainable brands such as Astral.

AM: We love that. For someone who has not started their journey and maybe overwhelmed as there are so many things to do and ways to go about it, they may be looking for easy or simple ways that they can get to the starting line. What would you suggest to them?

DL: I mean I always tell my friends just "re" as much as you can in recycle as possible – as much as you can! I mean, I bring my reusable bags to the grocery store as opposed to getting a plastic bag. I can just use my reusable shopping totes. I always carry around my refillable water bottle instead of buying a plastic water bottle. And if you’re out and about, you can always ask for your bartender to make you a cocktail with Astral so that you’re supporting a good cause.

AM: Tell us about the Adobe Brick Project. I think that it’s really interesting and that they are building homes in Jalisco, Mexico. In addition to tell us about this, why did you want to partner on this with them?

DL: As you know, I love sustainability and I try to implement those practices as much as possible. Astral asked me to be part of their Earth Day initiative which is promoting the This Round's For The House, which is all the bottles that are being purchased are going towards the Adobe Brick Project. With that, they are using all of the upcycled adobe bricks to create homes is Jalisco, Mexico which is where their tequila is produced. So, I like that they are giving back to their community. This Earth Day, Astral is going to announce that they have 10 homes being built right now.

AM: That’s amazing and it’s really cool to see that by enjoying your favorite tequila shot or cocktail you can assist in this initiative. I’m assuming that you have a favorite recipe as well!

DL: I do! I did a trip with them in Joshua Tree which was wonderful! We had a mixologist help us create cocktails based on our signs. So, I’m a Capricorn and I’ve been addicted to this cocktail ever since. It’s called the Saturn Moon. It’s with Astral Tequila Blanco, fresh lime juice, agave, ginger beer which is one of my favorite mixers and then we also muddled a handful of fresh blueberries!

AM: That sounds really refreshing!

DL: It’s amazing and one of the favorite drinks that we had!

AM: I’m a Virgo and even I would want to drink that one!

DL: Ok, I’m a Virgo Moon! The blueberries were really a nice touch.

AM: We enjoyed seeing you on The Bachelor and The Bachelor in Paradise. What was your biggest takeaway from your time on the show?

DL: Oh wow, I think that for me, going into it, I had recently gotten out of a very unhealthy relationship where I was very codependent on this person and spent several years building up their career and life. When I left, it was just this process of rediscovering myself. I validated the fact that I was glad to leave the relationship and that it was a good decision. I left with a new sense of independence and who I was as a person and what my values were. I also left with some of the most amazing friends that I now talk to every single day!

AM: That’s amazing. We always love when we interview people whether they were competing or they were The Bachelor/Bachelorette, we just had Michelle Young a few months ago and we always like talking about the group chats and who’s in it. Who are the people you talk to?

DL: Oh yeah! It’s pretty wild because after you get off this show, it’s such a unique experience. It’s really nice to have those group chats to share what you’re going through right now, because no one else really knows. Even in past seasons, everything from each house there is always some tea that happens, but I talk to Raven, Alexis and Jasmine. Those are my core girls that I’m still friends with every day. I just had a canceled flight in Dallas and I went over to Alexis’ house and spent the night.

We're always on a mission to find our next favorite cocktail and Danielle's Saturn Moon, sounded refreshing. We're going to share with you the recipe for Saturn Moon and whatever your horiscope is, Astral has a series of Astralogical recipes for you that's in line with your sign or your tastebuds.

SATURN MOON

WHAT YOU'LL NEED

1.5oz Astral Tequila Blanco

.5oz Fresh Lime Juice

.5oz Agave Nectar

A Handful of Blueberries

Ginger Beer

HOW TO MAKE IT

Combine first three ingredients into a cocktail shaker and muddle lightly. Add ice, shake and strain into an ice filled glass and top with Ginger Beer.

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BINGELY BOOKS

101 THINGS TO DO WITH RAMEN NOODLES

Gibbs Smith

Toni Patrick

There is nothing like a bowl of ramen and since it is so versatile, we always want to try a new version! If you've ever purchased ramen noodle packets or have them in your pantry, have you ever thought about how you can breathe new life into it, we have some ideas. This month, 101 Things to Do With Ramen Noodles is the perfect cookbook to have on hand when cravings hit.

You'll find out how they can be made into Creamy Chicken Noodle Soup, Summer Garden Soup, Zucchini Salad, Ham and Cheese Ramen Omelets, Ramen Nachos, and Ramen Burgers.

PINEAPPLE STREET

Pamela Dorman Books

Jenny Jackson

As we get closer to the summer, we need one of those escapist reads that takes us away on a bit of a saga. We get introduced to the Stockton family a well-connected old-money family. We meet Darley the eldest daughter who traded her comforts, followed her heart, and exchanged her inheritance for motherhood. We also meet Sasha who is a middle-class New England girl who marries into the Brooklyn Heights family. Obviously, she is an outsider. Then, there's Georgiana who is the baby of the family and has fallen madly in love with someone that she can't have. Now, she decides what kind of a person does she want to be ultimately.

Pineapple Street is an indulgent read that connects us to the one-percenters and shares the lives of these characters as they navigate their lives and learn what it is in life that they really want to be involved in.

LEARNING KOREAN: RECIPES FOR HOME COOKING

Amistad

Peter Serpico

Another cuisine that's a long-time favorite is Korean! We love the spices, sauces, and more. In Learning Korean: Recipes for Home Cooking, we focus on the key elements of this cuisine: kimchi and white rice, and how it unlocks flavors as well as vegetable-centric cooking which allows for healthy eating. This cookbook presents new flavors, techniques, and ways to enjoy this food by Chef Peter Serpico.

This cookbook shares his favorite dishes that he has made over the years as well as those that he grew up eating. With over 100 recipes, and his thoughts on philosophically eating, and his connection to food, it's an immersive experience.

We're looking forward to making Spicy Pork Rib Stew, classic noodle and rice cake dishes as well as Korea-fied roast chicken and a sweet-and-spicy grilled cauliflower. In addition, to beautiful images, you will learn various techniques, you'll learn about condiments to elevate your desired dish, desserts, drinks and tricks and tips to create your healthy meals each week.

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ATHLEISURE LIST | MIMI CHENG'S

Mimi Cheng's is founded by Hannah and Marian Cheng. The two sisters were inspired by the hundreds of homemade dumplings and jars of secret sauce their mother, Mimi, made for them throughout their lives, and in 2014, they took the leap into the hospitality industry to introduce their family recipes and culinary heritage to New York City and opened their first location. Since then, it has expanded to 3 locations on the Upper West Side, East Village and Brooklyn.

We suggest that when you swing by for dumplings, you should try their Signature Dumpling (organic chicken, farm zucchini, scallions, grated ginger), Pork & Chive Dumplings (pasture-raised heritage pork + garlicky chives) and any of their upcoming Limited Edition Brooklyn Series Dumplings. Mimi Cheng’s will be collaborating with other beloved iconic BK restaurants to create a special dumpling every month. Keep an eye on their social feed to see the next collaboration that they will do for other restaurants in the area! For April, they partnered with Hometown BBQ, which will be an interesting twist on these savory classics. If you visit their IG, you'll see that they mentioned a Pepper-Caramelized Beef Brisket Dumplings with Swiss cheese, housemade Russian dressing, and slaw which seems like something that we would want to try for sure!

3 main dishes that we should try are Spicy Dan Dan Noodles, 12-Hour Organic Chicken Bone Broth Noodle Soup and Chicken + Rice. When it comes to sides, you should have their Crushed Garlic Cucumber Salad, Scallion Pancakes and Scallion Ginger Rice.

Regardless of which location you go to, you'll find that all the menus are the same for each one.

MIMI CHENG'S

COBBLE HILL, BK

224 Atlantic Ave

BK, NY 11201

UWS

309 Amsterdam Ave

NY, NY 10023

East Village

179 2nd Ave

NY, NY 10003

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PHOTO CREDITS | Mimi Cheng's

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