When you're watching a film or a series, the goal is to be transported and to enjoy an immersive experience that either allows for escapism, conversations with others, or to be introspective. That process can come in many forms whether it's the script, the setting, subject, and in many cases the actor.
There are a number of actors that you know when they are attached to what you're about to watch, your expectations are high that they are going to drive the story. When you have an actor who has played a number of characters in shows and films that you admire, you're always excited to get the chance to know more about them, their process, and how they connect to their work. This month's cover of Athleisure Mag is Curtiss Cook (Mayans FC, Shutter Island, West Side Story) who has played Otis "Douda" Perry in The Chi which you can stream the current Season 6B on Paramount+ with Showtime and On Demand and you can also watch it on Showtime each Sunday.
We wanted to know more about the power of storytelling through the characters that he plays and how that is achieved; what he loves about storytelling, the committment he has to his craft; the success of his role in The Chi; the importance of mental health; and upcoming projects that we can continue to keep an eye out for. In addition, we took advantage of a summer day by heading to Selina Chelsea Hotel for our photoshoot that took place at Creatures at Selina Rooftop and Music For A While listening lounge!
ATHLEISURE MAG: The last time we talked, you were our cover for our DEC ISSUE #72 back in 2021.
CURTISS COOK: Oh wow, Dec ‘21!
AM: We were talking about Season 4 of The Chi, and you guys knew you were already renewed for Season 5, and we were talking about The Devil You Know although you couldn’t tell us about the title at that time or really what it was. But you shared that you were working with Charles Murray (Sons of Anarchy, The Devil You Know, Outer Range), which interestingly enough, he is in this month’s issue!
CC: Are you serious? Oh, I love him!
AM: Yes, we interviewed him for Outer Range.
CC: Outer Range?
AM: Yes it’s a neo-western with Josh Brolin (No Country for Old Men, Avengers franchise, Dune franchise) on Prime Video. Charles is the Executive Producer and Showrunner of the 2nd season as he took over from the creator for this series. Which is a great show by the way!
CC: Josh Brolin you said?
AM: Yes!
CC: Oh c’mon, you know that’s good!
AM: Oh it’s a great show!
So now, we can go back and talk about The Devil You Know, which we loved!
We thought it was awesome to see the dynamic and the storyline.
CC: It was good right?
AM: Oh, I mean the cast! What was it that you loved about being in that show?
CC: First of all, when I was offered it, the first thing that popped into my mind was that I was trying to remember a movie or television show that dealt with brothers, Black brothers and in a complicated way right? Not just as caricatures of the culture, you know what I mean? They had a mother and a father, so they grew up with both of their parents, you know what I mean? It wasn't a broken home. Now what happens in the movie – we have to sell a movie. But still, the love in which they still cared for each other was amazing, the writing for that script was so on point. But then like you said, when you get a group of cast members like that, it’s like, “wow, that could literally be a TV series!”
AM: That’s what I thought when I watched it.
CC: I mean, if the end didn’t happen and we didn’t prolong certain things, but those brothers being that way and being invited to that party. Because a lot of times, Curtiss doesn’t get invited to those parties. I don’t know why that is. He normally gets invited to the other party. Where he is the only one that is there. When I say that, I mean that he is the only Black face there. He is the only Black person that is there. Which it is what it is. I’m not complaining.
AM: I have been in those doors and know it well!
CC: Yeah, it’s like, why aren’t y’all coming?
AM: Hello again my friend, it’s just me!
CC: It’s just me.
AM: Carrying the torch for everybody and sometimes nobody.
CC: Everyone and sometimes no one. They’re just different right? Sitting with Scorsese (Taxi Driver, Goodfellas, Killers of the Flower Moon) is just different then sitting with Charles Murray. It’s not better or worse, it’s just different. So that was immediately what it was. It was about this brotherhood, this family unit and how close knit they were and than when Charles said that it was loosely based on his family, and his brothers and it was like, oh wow, this is an opportunity to represent and to get a peek into our culture in a different way.
I’m pausing because I’m trying to think of different films that dabbled in that area and -
AM: It’s hard to think of one.
CC: I can see friends that you think of them as brothers because they’re so close and they grew up together, but literally being brothers from the same mother and father.
AM: The 5 Heartbeats gave that vibe, but they were not brothers.
CC: Oh I love that movie!
AM: [Sings] Nights like this, I wish raindrops would fall -
CC: Oh man, I love it.
AM: Haha no you’re right. It did feel different and I hadn’t really seen that dynamic and certainly not with 4 brothers.
CC: So it was special and I appreciate being brought to the party. I wish that it did better at the box office, but I find people that stop me and say, “oh my God, I really loved that movie,” and it touches you because it could just as easily be overlooked and forgotten about. Same way about Roxanne Roxanne, people pop up and say, “ oh man, you get on my nerves – you took that woman!” It’s like ok!
AM: I have to say that I liked your character Marcus Edison in The Bold Type. I was a huge fan of that show.
CC: Ok!
AM: It was nice to see you in a different way in that series.
CC: Right, right, right!
AM: Mayans FC, we enjoyed you in that!
We were huge Sons of Anarchy fan so when the spinoff came out, we were ready for Mayans!
What do you love about storytelling?
CC: The exploration of self because a lot of times, I have gone through – well, I am the oldest of 5. My next sibling down from me is 3 years younger then me and it’s a girl. So although Renee and I are close, we weren’t hanging out you know what I mean, that’s my sister. So, a lot of times I found myself by myself so I read a lot. I had a really close friend that I had known since kindergarten, but I read a lot, I watched a lot of TV, and I was absorbing a lot of stories and I lived through things that I saw. I remember growing up saying, “I wonder what I would have done if that was me?” Like incidents that happened in the neighborhood and what not and then in television and movies too – it was always, I wonder what I would have done. So absorbing that, you go to school, and then college and all of that – you get fed more stuff. You get the opportunity to express all of the inner sides of yourself that just stay dormant because there is no way to express that. But then all of a sudden, you come across this character that seems so far from who you are where you say, “you know what? I remember when I was 17 and I was thinking about what if I was the FBI Chief or that I was in charge of the police and this is an opportunity to bring out that 17 year old idea along with all of the new information that I have and bring it together."
So I enjoy that part of exploration to bring along the storytelling and being able to purge certain aspects of myself and I also like the finding of stuff. Sometimes a play or a movie or a television show takes me to a part of the country or a part of the world that I have never been to before. And just by that, you’re exploring and seeing things that you never have before! The Interpreter, we shot in Mozambique and I had never been to the Mother Land and when I tell you Kimmie, that it was eye opening. It was eye opening and I will tell you a quick story about this, but it was a long time ago, but I will never forget this.
I don’t know if you remember The Interpreter, but there is a scene where these young boys come to basically, assassinate my character and another character by someone else. But these young men who did the scene were locals. They were for a lack of a better word, very impoverished – they were poor. So, the costumer, the cast, decided to give them a gift and got them these bikes. They were getting paid for the movie, but just to say thank you, they received these bikes. Dare I say, the next day on set, they came back walking in and everyone was like, why are they walking? We were told that their bikes were stolen, they were taken, they’re gone. We were shocked and then an older gentleman said, “we can’t give gifts like this because it’s taken immediately.” And not even from other children, it’s from grown people coming to take these things.
That was a shock to me and then although the people were poor, it’s not like they were like, “oh help me, help me” they were living and full of life! It was just like, we don’t have these material things, but we know where to eat, we know where to congregate, we know where to worship, and it was life! It was so life affirming to me because sometimes, we can get so caught up in to the stuff and that makes us feel like whatever and you forget that all we need is this, we’re just sitting here talking, having a good time, taking some pictures, and that is what life is about.
AM: I always say that home is where I have a seat at the table. So it doesn’t even have to be in my house. If I feel that we connect and there is a vibe, that is a home. Because everything else it can be up and down.
CC: I agree with that 100%. So that is also what storytelling gives me. It’s an opportunity to meet and see people and have myself to be reminded of certain things like that or to be told certain things like that. When you see something concretely like that in your face, you’re like, “ok I need to make a shift.” So those are some of the things about storytelling that I love, why I love it so much, and sometimes the factor of not knowing how to do it!
Right now, I’m about to fly out to LA for this piece. I haven’t sung in a long time. So honestly, I’m scared, I’m a little like, “boy, you ain’t sung and you’re going where with big people on the stage?” It’s going to be some people there! So it’s not like it’s just us right here where I could just sing for you and y’all are like, go head!” So I’m like, ok Curtiss, I’m thinking in the car driving here and I’m trying to sing a little bit and I’m like, “bro, I don’t know what you’re going to do.”
AM: You have to start stomping that foot -
CC: And get the crowd singing with you! But part of me is like, that’s why you do it, you know what I mean?
AM: Yeah!
CC: You thought that at one point, growing up, that I would be a singer. That’s all I did, that’s all I was being praised for – so it’s there, but let’s see how much of it has morphed into this 57 year old dude now who hasn’t done it in 3-5 years on the stage or whatever. So I enjoy that factor too because it keeps you alive.
AM: If you don’t have that fire, it’s not going to work. You almost have to have that, did I do too much Icarus – ooo not quite.
CC: Haha not quite!
AM: Haha I mean it was close, no one else caught it, but it was giving Icarus for a moment!
CC: I totally agree!
AM: One of the things that I like is that every time I see you in different roles, if your character is like this in The Bold Type, it’s like this when it’s Douda, it’s completely different. Even down to the mannerisms, cadences, they are very separate from each other. That’s more than just getting into a character and doing the words. How do you approach your characters to give them do you approach your characters to give them this seamless and different feel that only your outer skin is the unifying link between them. Because everything else even the walk where it’s like a Denzel Washington (Fallen, Training Day, American Gangster) effect where he can completely be something else.
CC: Wow Kimmie, thank you for saying that. I mean, it makes me feel really good that somebody is even saying that I do that!
AM: I’m very detailed when I’m watching things as there a lot of great actors that do things and it’s like, that’s Joe and he’s doing Joe with the pink hat versus Joe with the orange. But you’re shapeshifting and everything falls away. I’m sitting with you now and it’s one person and I know if I was on set with you and you were about to do a scene as Douda, everything about the vibe and what you’re doing is going to be so different and it’s not the same person. Of course if it’s The Bold Type and I was there, you know that character is not going to do anything to anybody.
CC: For a long time and still to this day, I have always considered myself a character actor. It wasn’t until ’96 or ’97 where a manager who turned into my agent, he told me, “you’re not a character actor, you’re a leading man.” I know he was saying that to say poo poo to character actors, we’re going to focus and go here. But at the time, I was still finding my way in the business right and I was trying to figure out how I was going to move forward and how the industry was going to accept me and how I would find that. So any type of guidance you get from people that is in the business and you feel like, oh, maybe this is what I should be doing right?
So, I tried to take on that moniker of a leading man whatever that was and I started to do that. But, I found myself that whenever a project would come, it wouldn’t be like you said, let me be just Curtiss and let’s bring this thing forward so that everybody can be like, he’s doing this thing now, I had to find out where this person is from, subsequently, a lot of parts bring me to new information. So it’s like, “oh, they’re from Colorado, I’ve never been to Colorado, what’s in Colorado?” So, now I’m reading about Colorado and then I’m finding some obscure history in Colorado where something happened to Black folks, “oh, you know what would really be cool? If this was part of his ancestors and this is what happened to them.” So now I’m going to videos and this was before where things weren’t so easy to just pick up your phone. You had to go to the library and type things in and wherever else to try to find old clips of whatever so you could find out how they sat, how they talked, and whether it was slow or whether it was longer and how much of that can I add without it being a thing and so, that becomes part of the joy. That becomes part of the, “I’ve done this before, I’ve done this already.” Not so much as I don’t want to be seen as the blah, blah, blah, or for me, how do I live in this piece and what makes me have to work?
It's just like the thing that I’m about to do, start listening to music again, start practicing again. All of these things are like if I’m not challenging myself to a place where the goal is something that I have achieved or almost achieved, like the analogy that you just used -
AM: Icarus!
CC: If I don’t have that feeling, quickly I get bored, quickly I’m not serving the project, quickly I’ll not assist my other cast members and creators, because my energy will I’ll just kind of be there and I’m not having fun. So as I’m finding these things about certain things and I’m trying to bring it from the feet all the way to the tippy top of the head, like you said, I’ll miss the mark, I’ll be general, and I know what I’m going for. But then there will be that one moment where it’s like, boom! I did it! Like you said, nobody else might have known that I you said, nobody else might have known that I did it, but Kimmie might!
AM: I’ll know!
CC: Everyone else will be like, “ok, let’s move on.” But I can sit there knowing that I did that, I couldn’t do that 3 mins ago or weeks ago, but now I can! They’re like, “ok Curtiss! Good now move onto the next thing.” The fact that you’re even acknowledging that and saying that, it means a lot. I think that a lot of that comes from stage right?
AM: Right!
CC: Because we’re given the opportunity to play things that are out of our vessels out of our capacity. Especially as you’re younger, you’re playing my age people. I remember thinking that once I got to the city that I am going to play everything! And it’s like, no not in television/film – at 23. There used to be a breakdown from 23-50 and really they wanted someone in their 40s and I was 27 years old and I thought that I could do this! It’s like, sit down and I was like, “no, no I know how to do this!” And you just don’t know right? You don’t know what you don’t know.
AM: Age is seasoning.
CC: Oh my God! Sometimes through osmosis and sometimes through the wacks of being knocked down and you realize, that that was a good lesson, I guess. It’s going to be useful for something.
AM: It’s something at some point.
CC: Something at some point.
AM: We’re in Season 6B right now of The Chi.
We just saw last week’s episode over the weekend. Do you watch episodes as they come out?
CC: So the 6th season was broken up into two sections. One of the blessings that I had and it was not on purpose, was the strike because the strike allowed me to see the first half before we started the filming the 2nd half. So it gave me a new perspective on this character, for the season and how it was being told. I watched all of those, but I have not watched any of the 6B yet. I know what happens, but I don’t know what they edited, how it is cut together, I did some ADR (Editor’s Note: Audio Dialogue Replacement is the process of recording dialogue in a studio after filming to replace the initially recorded lines on set) for a portion of the scenes so I know those scenes in mind. How it comes together, I do not know. Other stuff, I wait. I may not watch it immediately I wait. I have not seen any of the House of Cards!
AM: Oh I loved your character in that!
CC: Everyone says that it’s so good! My wife watches everything! My wife watched ev-er-y-thing! She’ll watch and say, “yeah, you may not want to watch this one.”
AM: Haha! I loved House of Cards.
CC: But to your question, I have not watched the episodes in 6B.
AM: Well, what’s interesting is, because you have not watched this episode, and we watched it with baited breath, obviously it is Douda’s season. Everything is coming to a head, everyone is figuring out and in this episode you can see all the lives that he has integrated with and how it’s not real ly working out for people and you’re not in this episode per se, but only for a small 5 second period of a throwback from 6A. Just your character’s presence of walking down the aisle at the funeral of Papa (Shamon Brown Jr), as a viewer, you’re like, there he is! Then if you’re watching on Showtime, they have The Chi Tea with actors from the episode, and right after they did a segment on The Villains with you about Douda. It was about 7 or 8 minutes.
CC: I’m talking too?
AM: Yup, you’re talking too! So we have you sitting in the chair talking about the character and then other members of the cast talking about the character, and it’s just this beautiful juxtaposition of you talking about your character while other people are talking about it. What does it mean to you to be on this show? When we talked last time we were in Season 4 and you were hoping your character would still be around. You’re still around, hunted and wanted!
CC: It means a lot of different things. The Chi owes me nothing. It owes Curtiss as the man nothing and it owes Curtiss as the actor nothing. The Chi gave me my first series regular role where it wasn’t like I just popped into the scene out of nowhere. I had been beating the ground for years, hoping and praying and getting close and having pilots picked up and then not go anywhere. Here comes this other show and I get this opportunity. Dare I say that the 6B season that I was in and able to do, I was given the opportunity to really ask, pseudo demand, an input in who and what this guy does and how he does it.
AM: Nice.
CC: Under the guise of here is the script, right? You know what I mean, I wasn’t changing things saying no – no – no.
AM: Haha he’s not doing this anymore, he’s Olympus now!
CC: Haha right! It wasn’t that, it was more like, ok I need help trying to understand this is what y’all are saying and if it is this, I need this infused in there to help. Please let me do this and it wasn’t like, “ok sure” because of the hierarchy of things, dare I say that on the day and again, I don’t know what has been aired, but on the day, my contribution was heard and allowed to be executed with the caveat of let’s also do this other thing.
AM: For pickups just in case.
CC: I respect that! They’re not in charge, there are other people that are involved as well. So your question was The Chi, I would be disingenuous to say that the show that I joined is not the show that I am leaving. But I also understand that there aren’t many shows that stay the same from when they first started either.
There’s this phrase in the business called “jumping the shark” and I think it came from Happy Days when The Fonz (Henry Winkler) has these skis and it jumped over the shark (Editor’s Note: The phrase was coined in 1985 by radio personality Jon Hein in response to a 1977 episode from the 5th season of Happy Days when Fonzie jumps over a live shark while on water-skis) and it was like, what the hell is this? I understand the nature of the beast and that certain things happen blah, blah, blah. The way that the story is going and leading, I am happy for how it develops. I’m very grateful and very happy on where it develops.
AM: What do you want viewers to know about Douda because it’s not that he’s a one sided character. We’ve seen him as a Mayoral candidate that won, we saw him as an owner of the pizzeria, and yes, he also does all of these other things as well. He tried to find love and we see he's very multidimensional that can’t be written off as just one thing. How do you want viewers to be able to look at him?
CC: I would love for him to be able to say, “you know what, I wouldn’t have done that, but I kind of understand why he went there, but maybe I wouldn’t have done it that way. But I get it.” I would hate for it to just be some stuff that just makes no sense. I always argue for – I don’t mind him being a villain. I don’t mind him being downright evil, disgusting, whatever, but with a cause!
AM: Right.
CC: A purpose. The thing that I love about him thus far is, that even when he asked Emmett (Jacob Latimore) to get in the business and he let him know that he wanted to get in business with him. Emmett maybe didn’t have a choice, but to say yes, but he did ask! He didn’t say, “I’m going to get into business with you, goodbye.” He did ask and Emmett decided to do it. But even in that time, he gave Emmett everything he said he was going to give Emmett. So when Emmett decides that he no longer wants to be with him anymore, it’s kind of like in Douda’s world, but why? It’s not like he gave all of this stuff and then he’s coming in there and he’s taking your wife too, and I’m going to come in here and sleep in your bed, and burn your house down and put you in a shackle and I’m going to give you $5 while I take it. It wasn’t that at all! He did the business.
AM: It’s a balance sheet.
CC: It’s a balance sheet and you’re getting paid on top of it too! You’re not being asked to go out there and shoot these kids? You’re not being asked to do nothing out of sort, it’s just do what you have been doing and you will be paid. Dare I say that anything he asks of anybody, be it Tracy (Tai Davis), be it Roselyn (Kandi Burruss), be it whoever, he’s like, my word is my bond. If he is going to do it, he is going to do it. That’s what I love about it. He’s not a villain for villain’s sake, it’s not messing up stuff and whatever.
AM: It’s measured.
CC: It’s measured.
AM: You knew already before you jumped in there.
CC: You knew who Jimmy was when you first met Jimmy!
So that’s what I like and I also like that from the actor’s point of view, we got to see him as the bad guy, a business man, to oh my God wait a minute, he’s a pizza guy, but he has a mob. Then oh my God, he’s running for office, oh my God he’s smart too he defunded the police which is what the community needs – he cares about the people, oh he started the center with Tracy and he’s in love with this woman too and now it’s like, oh my God, this brother needs to go! What the hell? As an actor, I got to do all of that with just one character in 1 hour over 5 seasons!
AM: That’s a lot!
CC: That’s why I say, The Chi owes me nothing! I’m so grateful for the opportunity to be able to show that and that’s what I hope people take away. Oh no no no, this guy came in here and he gave us a 3D, interesting, complicated, individual who at the end, he made us hate him! Because before we didn’t, we didn’t want to, it was growing and not because all of a sudden he was doing the crazy stuff, it was just the ongoing elements.
AM: The cast this season is, and it has always been, amazing. Just looking at this season, Lynn Whitfield (A Thin Line Between Love and Hate, Eve’s Bayou, Greenleaf), Leon Robinson (The Five Heartbeats, City on a Hill, Waiting to Exhale), Iman Shumpert (Them, Twenties, Under His Influence), so many different people. What have been some of your favorite moments of the season as you look back or even across the series?
CC: There have been a few of them. When you asked me, I know the first one that popped up in my mind, Carl Lumbly (The Falcon and the Winter Solider, The Fall of the House of Usher, Doctor Sleep), he played the old man and that was Douda’s mentor. He was in prison and he gave him his name. I have loved this guys work from years and years and years and to have the opportunity to sit across from him in a scene really touched my soul. That was a moment.
I mean Lynn Whitfield, you kind of look at her in the face and it’s like, “oh my God, you’re Lynn Whitfield!”
AM: Every time she’s on screen, it’s a moment. It’s like Diahann Carroll (The Colbys, Dynasty, White Collar) walking in.
CC: Right? She is – she’s the essence of! So that’s amazing. Steven Williams (X-Files, The Leftovers, Birds of Prey) who played Q. Even watching, listening, and talking to him, we would hang out afterwards and just hearing his stories and hearing him talk about Cooley High and 21 Jump Street and you just kind of look and of course, subsequently, I get to work with Glynn Turman (A Different World, Men of Honor, Percy Jackson and The Olympians) from The Devil You Know who played the father, because he was also Cooley High with Steven and putting that together because they’re friends, so those have been some memorable moments for me from the top of my head that I never thought that I would have the opportunity to, grace the screen, with and talk to and those are the first 3 that come to mind.
Then the other cast members that are there too are cool in different ways. The Jacob Latimore (Ride Along, Collateral Beauty, Like A Boss) of it all, the Yolanda Ross (Antwone Fisher, American Gigolo series, How to Get Away with Murder) of it all, Jason Mitchell (Straight Outta Compton, Keanu, Zola) that got into some trouble, and even little Alex R. Hibbert (Moonlight, Code Switch, Black Panther) who plays Kevin, Michael Epps (Chicago Fire, Chicago Med, Primary Position), and Shamon Brown Jr (Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Mutant Mayhem, Tales of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Chicago Fire) and so is Tai Davis (Save the Last Dance, Chicago Med, Empire) who plays Tracy. You know what I mean? It’s really kind of cool to mix and mingle and have real conversations. Kandi, I never thought (Real Housewives of Atlanta, SWV & XSCAPE!
AM: When I see her on screen, I don’t see her as a multi-platinum artist and phenomenal songwriter that has written for so many people across genres or even of being one of the Real Housewives of Atlanta. So when the two of you are on screen together it’s a believable dynamic where you can burn the houses down!
CC: Mmm hmm oh yeah.
AM: I was hooked on the show from the first episode. Part of it being I’m from the Midwest, I’m from Indianapolis so seeing something that is from Chicago that’s amazing. But how the show presents a cast of characters across a wide array of socioeconomics as opposed to all of these people live in a ghetto or all of the characters are on this tract. It’s the mix and the hybridity of it all. The topics that are covered and mental health from last season, and this season, and especially as it pertains and applies to the Black community as some of us do and some of us don’t. How important is it for viewers to understand that these are major takeaways that we can not only watch and enjoy, but to bring them back into our communities and enjoy, and into our communities for whatever our socioeconomic status is?
CC: It’s majorly important that we bring those things in and not be afraid to and to try to erase the stigma that is attached to going to therapy. I am an individual who, and I just started talking about it this season, and I found myself by accident talking about it if I’m totally honest. I battle inside myself because I’m saying, “just say it” and then I don’t want to just say it because I don’t want to put it out into the world. But then I think, “remember when you were just watching something and you found out that someone did something –“ you know what I mean?
AM: Yes.
CC: Ok, so it normalized it in such a way that I could see it. I don’t liken myself to someone else that’s whatever, but it could be a 7 year old, a 19 year old or whatever that can look at a man that’s on TV. So during the process, I used to have my ex-wife and I, we used to go to marriage counseling and that was my first introduction to a therapist. Being able to sit down and for the most part being there as a mediator so that we could hear each other. Subsequently, that marriage didn’t work out, but what did work out was that our communication was better and we found out that maybe this isn’t the union – she has a new husband, I have a new wife, we have 3 children.
So that was my first introduction to it. Over the course of acting, after the pandemic of course, that put a mirror onto a lot of different people and shined a light on a lot of things that made us wonder or let us know we weren’t as fluid as we thought we were, or as succinct in our daily living as we thought that we were because it was just stripped away so quickly right?
AM: Right.
CC: So what do we do now? So that was a factor and then at the same time, my 2 youngest children, the 20 year olds, they were leaving the house. So my wife and I became empty nesters for the first time and that was also like – what do we do?
AM: Yeah it a cadence shift.
CC: So am I supposed to – I mean we used to get them up at 7am to get them out of the house and now there is nobody to get out and -
AM: You’re just looking at each other ha!
CC: Ok!
AM: Haha you’re still here!
CC: Right like you too? So there was a moment where I’m trying to figure out the day-to-day and then I had the show to do and I have this character like we just talked about who likes to go to a deeper and deeper dark side, and that’s not who or what I really am. But I’m starting to find out that people are starting to associate Curtiss with this guy and sometimes I would meet people and they would be a little held back or hostile for whatever reason and that started to play a certain way in my mind. It pushed me to a certain place and I’m by myself and so I reintroduced myself to therapy. Dare I say that the show starts to do this as well? That’s really interesting to me. I honestly wish that there was a place in which – I mean, you know there was a time when Douda said to a news reporter and remember, he goes away in one season and just disappears and then he comes back and the woman says where were you and he literally says that he left and he got therapy.
AM: That was the 4th season because when we were talking and I said that I hoped that you would come back for Season 5 it was because of him leaving abruptly in the 4th.
CC: Yes and I wish that there was a point where we showed him trying to deal with some of his demons, why they happened, and whatever else, but that is a different show. But I’m glad that they did start this men’s circle and the only caveat that I would add to that is that I do feel that there needs to be a professional in those surroundings.
AM: Exactly.
CC: Because the purpose of it is to trust and totally trust that whatever you are speaking stays in that space and some skills to actually deal with what you are doing to try to break down the issue, the feelings, and all of the anxiety that you may be having too so there are some actual physical and mental activities that you can do to have that and to have somebody that is there that understands that to say that maybe this is something that you could try right? I think that that is also important. I think baby steps, you can’t do everything in one show and within that amount of time.
AM: Maybe for the show purpose if you think about it, the culture, as Black people, were not raised to bring in outside people in and to have these conversations so the very idea of doing what they’re doing is many steps beyond how we have been brought to think. If I told my mom I do breathwork or meditation, there would be a thought or a question in terms of why am I not praying or leaning on scripture when you can do all 3 as one doesn’t diminish another.
I agree with you as the first time I saw it, I thought that they should have a professional, but would those guys ask someone?
CC: I see that for the first time, but now some of the issues that they are dealing with, you can’t be in the group and say, “we need to kill Douda!”
AM: Oop that’s right you can’t do that!
CC: What is the group for now? Are y’all a gang, what are y’all about to do?
AM: It’s a tar and feather session right now haha! Yeah, you’re right I take it back!
CC: Yeah, that’s not what we’re talking about here, let’s keep all that out of this space, it’s a safe space. I think that if there was a professional there, they would say, “maybe that’s good, but maybe we should also think about how everyone is oppressed.” But once again, baby steps! Like what you said, the fact that we can see it and be like, “hey, maybe we can talk to my friend or my brother and just – we have to be careful with who we allow to see our inner most selves sometimes because even some loved ones have the best intentions but their actions may not show it in the ways that we need it at that time.
AM: What do you feel in terms of the mental health elements or components or things that you feel that you need in order to keep accountable? What do you do for yourself?
CC: There’s a lot. I have an emotional support animal named Bolo and that’s one thing. Because he keeps me accountable and whenever I get anxious or feel anxiety, he comes over and puts his big head on my leg and he makes me focus on him so that I can pet him and immediately, my blood pressure kind of goes down and my heart slows down and then I’m ok! I workout because I enjoy the endorphins that you get from that and the feeling of accomplishment. I live up in the mountains so I’m able to walk around and see nature a lot which is really good. I used to meditate a lot, I don’t do it anymore only because I don’t really have a real reason why I don’t. But I haven’t in a very long time, but I do find myself doing walks with him in the mountains and I make sure that I don’t bring my cellphone, I don’t bring my Apple Watch and I’m totally disconnected so I just say, “please Jesus don’t let anything happen to me because nobody is going to come for a couple of days and I have no communication!”
AM: Do you watch Hacks on Max?
CC: No, I do not.
AM: There was just an episode and it stars Jean Smart (Designing Women, Watchmen series, Mayor of Easttown) and she asks her writer to go on a walk although she suggested the King of Prussia because they were waiting to go back on QVC, they ended up out in the forest. They lose the writer’s phone in the river, Jean falls and hurts herself and she doesn’t have a phone because she wants to keep clean lines in her pockets so they wander in the wilderness until they find good Samaritans that take them back to their car! Jean reminds her that if they had walked in the mall, this wouldn’t have happened and it was a whole thing – but yeah!
CC: I love Jean Smart.
But yeah, that’s the active things that I do, but a lot of it is also that I haven’t started back up with my therapy and he just actually emailed me yesterday saying, “hey, are you good? Just checking in to make sure that you’re good.” I let him know that I was. I definitely will get back in touch with him and start talking with him because I think that because things are going to start shifting with me again I can feel myself sometimes getting to a place of spiraling down and I will just sit, my mother also suffered with depression and so I will literally put a cover over my head until I get to a point where I’m like, “you have to get up, you can’t stay here like this.” I will have to fight myself to just get up and just do something. But those are some of the things that I try to make sure that I focus on.
The thing that I do a lot is that I am a truth teller. What happens is, if you don’t know me or whatever, you don’t know that I’m telling you the truth. I’ll say it dead out – it may sound like a joke, or I’ll say it whatever. But now my wife, she’s able to pick up on it sometimes and she’s good at letting it pass for the day or two and then she’s like, “so, I’m going to find it,” you know what I mean? She’ll do something and then I’ll say, “yeah, maybe we do need to discuss what’s going on.”
AM: I get that! I’m an avoidant type. I don’t like to talk about myself and I’m more focused on being a fixer type. But when I get really quiet Paul will ask me if I’m good and I’ll say yes; however, he will keep asking because he knows something is off and that’s when the breakdown happens as I’m not someone who’s a crier or shows emotions per se, but you have to know me because if you don’t you will assume everything is ok. Part of that comes from the culture of how I was raised, having parents who were executives who gave me great tools to navigate and equip me for the world in terms of business, but those same tools applied in terms of how I internalize and utilize them personally are not great due to how I internalize things – so I need him to give me that nudge or alert that I have to examine what’s happening and not just say, “yeah this happened it’s fine or it’s ok” when in fact it is not.
CC: Wow, that’s beautiful that you have found this out, you know what I mean? The ability to acknowledge that and to access those feelings and for you to have the ability to feel comfortable and say, “we’re not going to be able to fix it, but we can just talk about it and you can feel better.”
AM: 100%.
Will we see you creating a foundation as mental health has been something that you have been talking about this season. Do you foresee yourself having a foundation, organization, or initiative for this?
CC: If you’re asking me this second, no I cannot. But you know, it’s one of those things that your calling is your calling and you can’t avoid it. I don’t right now. I have a lot more work to do with my acting career I think. There’s a place that I would like to be and I am not there yet, and I know that I am going to be there and I know that I have the wherewithal to do the work. It’s just the matter of time and the only way that I can access the time is to make sure that this is fine and this fine, so maybe those things will meet in the future and maybe this foundation or organization at some point will help me to get to the time.
AM: What are some upcoming projects that you have coming up! We know you have the show coming up and I hope that it’ll be streamed somewhere so that I can see it!
CC: Haha yeah! The next big thing is that I did this movie where the working title is Carry On and it stars myself, it stars Taron Egerton (Legend, Blackbird, Kingsman franchise), it stars Jason Bateman (Arrested Development, The Outsider, Ozark), it stars Danielle Deadwyler (P-Valley, Station Eleven, Till), and Jaume Collet-Serra (Non-Stop, Jungle Cruise, Retribution) directed it. A big project that he did was Black Adam, but this is produced by Steven Spielberg’s (Jaws, Jurassic Park franchise, Indiana Jones franchise) company, Amblin Entertainment and Netflix. So it’s called Carry On and we shot it awhile back in New Orleans and it’s a thriller and it’s about the TSA and what happens at airports and when some incidents happen. So that’s the next big thing that's kinda going on and of course, next week I will be in LA for awhile.
AM: What do you want your legacy to be whether it’s in the industry or as a man?
CC: I mean, that’s not really up to me right? I mean, -
AM: At some point, it kind of is. Because what you leave behind is what’s remembered.
CC: Yeah hopefully, you left it behind, but no one is remembering that! “Well you know that one time, he stepped on my foot –“
AM: And he owed me $5!
CC: And he owed me $5 and he stepped on my foot haha – is that what you want to say man?
As far as in the industry right? I know that this is going to happen right and I’m not trying to be arrogant about it, but I want to be known as one of those people who when you say, and I’m saying it right now to a reporter for the record, when you say great actors, “oh man, you have Sidney Poitier (To Sir With Love, In the Heat of the Night, Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner), Denzel Washington,” and I want you to say Curtiss Cook.
AM: You know what I was going to tell you earlier, that there are things you do that remind me of Sidney Portier with his career. There are nuances, but you are still your own person.
CC: Oh come on!
At the end, I wanted it to be because of the body of work, the type of the work, the commitment to the work, nothing against James Earl Jones (Coming to America franchise, The Lion King, Field of Dreams), nothing against Laurence Fishburne (Matrix franchise, Clipped, Megalopolis), nothing against Samuel Jackson (Pulp Fiction, Glass, Avengers franchise), nothing against Don Cheadle (House of Lies, Crash, Avengers franchise), we can go on and on about people that do amazing things – Forest Whitaker (Rogue One: A Star Wars Story, Black Panther, Godfather of Harlem) – you know what I mean?
AM: Yup!
CC: There are loads of folks where you’re like yeah!
AM: But then there’s a craft!
CC: Yes, a craft and a je ne sais quoi that not everybody possesses and it’s sometimes you work to get it, or you’re born with it and you know how to use it right? I’m still at the process of finding out who and what this vessel is because it’s going to sound as crazy as hell, but I don’t know, I’m feeling comfortable – I never thought that I was a handsome dude. I remember growing up, I never thought that I was ugly, I never thought that I was handsome like people saying, “oh yeah, he’s nice – never.” So, whatever got me into the spaces and rooms for girlfriends or whatever, it was always me being silly, or funny, or charming, or whatever. They’d say, “oh, he’s so funny, you know what? He’s kind of cute too come on over here Curtiss." And I was like yeah! But now, as I’m getting older or whatever, I’m hearing more and feeling more this attention of ooo wow! Honestly, 70% of myself is like, I don’t believe you, but I’m going to let you say it and I’m going to move on for whatever whatever. So that goes back to the, “oh, you said that you wanted this thing back in Jr High School and now it’s come into fruition.” Whatever is happening, and whatever they are seeing, maybe it’s an inner/outer thing, maybe it’s your nose grew into your forehead or something, or the proportions on me, maybe the teeth came in right, but I don’t know – today is good!” So I think that it’s part of it right for the 2 people that I named. You look at them and you go, ok. If you look at them too hard, you say, “I don’t know if they are the most handsomest people in the whole wide world, but when you put it all together, you’re like, there is a thing about them.”
AM: It’s a presence and I think that’s what got me for the end of the 5 seconds of last week’s The Chi episode because it was a bit of that Poitier moment where all the things come together. You didn’t say anything, it was a montage of other things, but it was the only camera time that you had in that episode and yet because everyone is talking about how are we going to get this man, there he is!
PAUL FARKAS: Honestly, it was almost like Jack Nicholson (One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, A Few Good Men, The Departed) because of your eyes! It was very brief, only like 3 seconds.
AM: All episode it was like, we’ve been hearing his name, but we haven’t seen him and it was pretty impactful and then the Villains feature ran after that.
CC: Yeah, that’s part of it and hopefully that people will say, “when I met him, he was a cool person. He was a cool dude and he wasn’t trying to be nothing that he ain’t.” I’ve worked with Mark Ruffalo (I Know This Much is True, Avengers franchise, Poor Things).
AM: That’s another one whether he’s the Hulk or he’s the attorney in Dark Waters fighting environmental pollution, or his role in Poor Things you get immersed into who he’s playing.
CC: Mark is a beast! But what you leave with when you think of him is what people will say about him, that he’s just a cool dude. You know what I mean? You meet him and he’s not trying to be cool or doing whatever. I hope that that is what they also say. When you’re young, you burn bridges that you don’t necessarily need to, but you don’t understand it –
AM: You don’t think it matters.
CC: Right. I just make sure that I come in, I’m prepared, ready, honest, open, and nice! Literally nice. It’s ok to be nice, it’s ok to say good morning and hi, it’s ok!
AM: A lot of that also comes from being in the Midwest.
CC: Ok, but hopefully those are 2 things that I can think of in addition to being a good dad and all of that.
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Our shoot with Curtiss Cook took place in Chelsea at the Selina Chelsea Hotel at Creatures at Selina Rooftop as well as their listening lounge, Music For A While. The photoshoot showcases menswear looks that are perfect to wear as we navigate the summer! Following the credits, we talk with the team at these spots who can tell us more about the spaces and why it should be on your list for epic days and nights out.
LIFE'S PASSION COVER EDITORIAL | TEAM CREDITS
PHOTOGRAPHER Paul Farkas | STYLIST Kimmie Smith | GROOMER Felicia Graham |
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LIFE'S PASSION COVER CREDITS
LOUNGE LOOK - PG 16 - 23 | ZEGNA Terry Shirt + Pants | OOFOHS OMG Sport LS Low Shoe |
OUT & ABOUT LOOK - BACK COVER, PG 24 - 29 + 9PLAYLIST MULTI PG 58 | SUIT SUPPLY Suit | ZEGNA Lightweight Hoodie | OOFOHS OMG Sport LS Low Shoe |
GOLDEN HOUR LOOK - FRONT COVER, PG 30 - 35 | Y.CHROMA The Sevilla Shirt + The Becker Pant |
PHOTOGRAPHY CREDITS
PAUL SHOT WITH | CANON MARK IV and Canon Lenses - 24-70, 70-200 + 50 1.2 | SIRUI Dragon Series Bendable RGB Panel Lights Set of 2 of B25R*2 + DJ 280 |
PHOTOS COURTESY | PG 36 - 56 Showtime/The Chi
ATHLEISURE MAG: Tell us about Life Hospitality, who are the founders/owners, and when this group launched.
FULL LIFE HOSPITALITY: Full Life Hospitality is behind some of the most sought-after venues in New York City, including Virgo, Make Believe, Music For A While, and Creatures at Selina Rooftop. With each venue, we're pushing the boundaries and evolving our concepts to provide truly incredible experiences every time guests walk into one of our venues. Each one of the founders—James O’Hanlon, Thatcher Schultz, Andy McDonald, and Duncan Abdelnour—brings a wealth of experience and passion for hospitality. Their collective vision has made Full Life Hospitality a leader in innovative and memorable nightlife and dining experiences.
AM: When did Creatures launch?
FLH: Creatures at Selina Rooftop opened in July of 2023. We've taken the time during the winter months to renovate the space extensively. We're thrilled to announce that the newly renovated pool will be opening at the end of June, offering guests an enhanced rooftop experience just in time for summer.
AM: Tell us about the vibe and ambiance of Creatures in terms of the design and what guests can expect when they enter.
FLH: Creatures offers a chic and relaxed atmosphere with a bohemian-inspired design. Guests can expect an inviting space adorned with lush greenery, comfortable seating, and vibrant décor. The rooftop setting provides stunning views of the Chelsea skyline, creating a perfect backdrop for socializing and enjoying crafted cocktails and delicious food.
AM: What are 3 appetizers that you suggest at Creatures that we should try?
FLH: Our House Hummus, topped with tomato seeds, schug, tahini, and served with pita bread, is a must-try. The Spicy Picanha Skewer with charred peas and mint puree offers a surprising and delightful bite. Lastly, the Branzino Crudo with blood orange, mint olive oil, and labneh cheese provides bright and bold flavors that are refreshingly perfect for a warm summer’s day.
AM: What are 3 mains that we should try with friends and family?
FLH: Choosing just three favorites is tough because Chef Neil Strauber's menu is thoughtfully crafted with inspiration from the Levant Region, infusing each dish with Mediterranean and Middle Eastern flavors. The Fish Schnitzel Tacos are a must-try, drizzled with spicy labneh and topped with Israeli salad in pita tacos. The Grilled Top Sirloin Cap, grilled to perfection in our open air kitchen, features Chef’s signature mint pistachio chimichurri and tomato seeds. Finally, the Wild-Caught Shrimp with harissa and tomato-sage butter is so flavorful that you'll fight for the last bite.
AM: What are 3 desserts we should try?
FLH: This dessert, crafted by Chef Neil Strauber, is an absolute must-try. The Cheesecake is incredibly light and airy, whipped to perfection and balanced with a delightful crumble for texture. The fresh strawberries add a burst of sweetness and color, making this dessert delicious and visually stunning. Pairing it with an Espresso Martini creates the ultimate end to a perfect meal, combining the richness of espresso with the creamy delight of the cheesecake.
AM: In terms of cocktails, what are 3 signature drinks that we should have in mind?
FLH: Our Lemon Drop Spritz is the epitome of summer in a glass, with zesty lemon notes and an effervescent spritz that cools you down on a hot NYC day. The Hibiskiss blends mezcal, lemon, house-made hibiscus and ginger syrups, mint, and ginger beer, offering a refreshing taste that whisks you away to a tropical oasis. Lastly, Daisy’s Painkiller combines dark rum, orange, pineapple, coconut, and nutmeg for a sweet retreat reminiscent of a Caribbean island, perfect for those scorching summer days. These cocktails are designed to transport you to a paradise, providing a refreshing escape from the city's heat.
AM: Now that we are in the summer months, do you have Summer Friday specials?
FLH: Absolutely! We're all about Summer Fridays. Join us for happy hour from 4-7 PM, where you can enjoy good vibes, refreshing cocktails, and delicious bites.
AM: Tell us about your Happy Hour.
FLH: We’ve just launched our happy hour menu, available weekdays from 4-7 PM. Enjoy $12 margaritas, mules, and classic cocktails, $10 wine, and $6 beer of the day. You can also try some of our new menu items like House Hummus, Kebab Empanadas, and Za’atar Fries.
AM: 4th of July is around the corner, what do you have in store that we should know about?
FLH: We’re so excited to celebrate the 4th of July with our friends. Follow us at @creaturesselinarooftop for announcements about our plans, which include drinks, bites, and a killer lineup to dance all day and night long.
AM: Will Creatures do anything for PRIDE?
FLH: Yes, we’re thrilled to host a party for PRIDE. It will begin at 2pm on Sunday, June 30th. We’ll also be launching our weekly party called Creatures @ Sunset this Sunday, June 2nd, at 2pm - Welcoming everyone in the LGBTQ+ community to dance with us into the night.
AM: Creatures is open Wed – Sunday, will additional days be added?
FLH: While we are currently open from Wednesday to Sunday, we are exploring the possibility of adding additional days during the summer months. We will be testing out Salsa on the roof next Tuesday! Stay tuned for more details!
Current Hours: Wednesday & Thursday - 4 PM-10 PM | Friday 4 PM-11 PM | Saturday 2 PM-11 PM | Sunday 2 PM-10 PM
AM: We also enjoyed having our shoot at MFAW and we included them in Athleisure List a few issues back. Now that it has been open for a while, are there new things that you would like to share about this venue?
FLH: MFAW continues to thrive with some great lineups and upcoming residencies featuring local vinyl DJs from New York City. Our Vinyl Happy Hour from 9 PM-11 PM is designed to attract new customers who might not have experienced a record bar before. And who can resist a $10 Dirty Martini to kick off the night?
AM: Can you talk about the design aesthetic of the space? What are upcoming events taking place here that we should know about whether for 4th of July or other days during the summer?
FLH: Upcoming events include a 4th of Julycelebration, weekend parties, summer brunches, Salsa Tuesdays, happy hour parties and dinner parties. Keep an eye on our social media channels and website for the latest updates on events.
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